Did Charley Weinert Put Austria On The World Boxing Map?

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  1. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Weinert never fought under the Austrian flag. Thats nonsense. In fact the only time I can remember his heritage ever being discussed during his career was in an article about boxers who changed their names for the ring in which he was mentioned as having been born in Budapest, Hungary.
     
  2. Italian Stallion

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    BoxRex lists Weinert as under the flag of Austria. What is your opinion on Tso and Singh -- did they put their countries on the map?
     
  3. Italian Stallion

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    Budapest was Austria-Hungary at that time. A number of sources list him as the greatest Austrian pugilist of all time.
     
  4. klompton2

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    Hungary was an independent nation. The Austro-Hungarian Empire shared a monarchy but had separate parliaments. Weinert was never Austrian and never identified as such. I dont get my information from Boxrec, I get it from a lifetime of research into that era. I have no opinion of Tso and Singh because Ive never heard of them. Given the fact that Ive been following boxing for 40 years Id say thats proof enough they didnt put their countries on the map.
     
  5. Italian Stallion

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    I appreciate your knowledge, time and the fact you've been following the sport for four decades or more. I respect that, as I respect everyone's opinion. We're all entitled to that. But what counts the most is what's listed in the official record and history books, as what's listed on BoxRec for the latter is the official boxing record database. All of these things just mentioned list Weinert under the flag of Austria and that's why many if not most people identify him as such. Even the most knowledgeable fans cannot just simply deny what's been written in books and on BoxRec for years. Think of the Olympic Games -- every athlete competes under only one flag and if he wins a medal, he sees his flag raised up during the medal ceremony. One flag; this is how it should be in all pro sports so. If these were the Olympics then Weinert would have the flag of Austria attached next to his name. I understand and appreciate all of the history behind him, him fighting in America, etc. But on paper he's an Austrian fighter and is listed among the greatest Austrian boxers ever. Among the people devising such rankings are folks who also are strongly connected to boxing or have been for a while. As for Tso and Singh, the latter is still young and has time to put his country on the map, while the former had to retire due to an injury but he'll now fight in the Tokyo Olympics so if he captures Olympic Gold I think at that point he'll definitely put a stamp on Hong Kong on the boxing map.
     
  6. klompton2

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    Boxrec is absolutely not official and its data is only as good as the person entering it. I would put my knowledge of that era in general and Weinert in particular up against anyone entering data into boxrec. Regardless, your initial question was whether Weinert put Austria on the boxing map. He didnt, for numerous reasons that I listed above. You can continue to argue for argents sake but the fact remains. Furthermore, your assertion that Weinert would compete under the flag of Austria had this been the Olympics is ludicrous. I would again direct you to the fact that Weinert arrived in the USA as a baby, likely didnt even remember Austria, began boxing here, fought his entire career here, and always identified as being from New Jersey, not Austria. He was born in Hungary, not Austria. You can split hairs about that being the Austro-Hungarian empire but that alone shows your gross lack of knowledge on the history of the politics of that era.
     
  7. mcvey

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    Never seen footage of him, but he is said to have been a clever boxer.
     
  8. Italian Stallion

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    I'm not arguing against the politics of that era, all I'm saying is it's been decided that Weinert is by default under the flag of Austria. This is not to say that he put Austria on the map, but rather that he was likely the first prominent boxer from said country on paper and on paper only. But such a claim is worth little because "on paper" is not for real. I posed the question to which I got the answer thanks to you guys. And that's it, I'm not arguing about anything. Thanks for your feedback.
     
  9. Ringrat

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    From what I've read over the years Charlie Weinert was considered a better than average boxer but no power puncher. At one time he was rated one of boxing's top prospects and made it on the cover of The Ring Magazine. Weinert was born in Budapest, Hungary and likely considered himself a Hungarian-American though other, low-browed Americans probably called him a Bohunk. He whipped Jack Sharkey, not once but twice and although he was KO'd by Luis Firpo in two rounds (supposedly) he later totally outboxed the big galoot, casting doubt on his earlier loss. (Some said it was a set-up arranged by Tex Rickard to boost Firpo's marquee value for an eventual fight with Dempsey.)
     
  10. kingfisher3

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    from what i can see austrian boxing achievements = bronze medal '75 european champs, '35 ebu lhw 2 defences & '38 ebu hw 3 defences (heinz lazek), 1950 ebu hw champ 1 defence.

    if lazek put austria on the map they quickly fell off it again
     
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