Is Crawford as skilled as Floyd Mayweather was?

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  1. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nowhere near.

    Also, another thing. Crawford is waiting for opportunities to come to him. Floyd MADE opportunities come to him. He played his part as the bad guy brilliantly.
     
  2. Carpe Diem

    Carpe Diem Member Full Member

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    Are you kidding me? He has better punching power than Floyd, I’ll give you that. How is Crawford a better counter-puncher than Floyd? Floyd has more variety ways of countering. He can stand in front of you in the middle of the ring to counter, counter off the ropes effectively, counter in the pocket, Crawford has never shown that he can counter off the ropes or in the pocket. That’s why he doesn’t want to fight a mauler like Porter who would push him against the ropes and make it an ugly fight. Floyd is also a better jabber, he can prob the jab to set up power shots, jab to the body and use the jab to anticipate or as a measuring stick to offset his opponent rhythm. And no, Crawford is not more complete than Floyd. Crawford can switch stance better than Floyd, but that’s about it. Floyd has demonstrated that he can fight in various ways effectively. You said Floyd got hit more than Crawford, that’s because at Crawford’s age, Floyd had already fought way better competitions and more higher caliber fighters. Even the fighters that Crawford dominated, he dominated, he struggled to find his rhythm and usually overpower them to finish the job. Crawford’s inside game is very suspect and he doesn’t look all that great fighting off the back foot in comparison to Floyd. Crawford is good, but Mayweather was more than great.
     
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  3. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    No he is not. In fact no where close to Floyd. He is really good though but I believe he will have Erroll Spence problems especially because his defence is not A* quality like Floyds.
     
  4. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. Crawford’s level of competition at 147 has been horrible. He did well becoming the undisputed champ at 140 (very weak division), but at 147 a fight between him and Porter or Spence should’ve happened already. Even Danny Garcia or Mikey Garcia would be a step up. Crawford also gets way too much credit for the Horn win.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Ask yourself this. How would Crawford/Pacquiao go? Most people see this is as a highly competitive fight between two top WWs... Pac has gotten older, more shopworn and shot since he fought Mayweather and the generally accepted view is that they're competitive now. Yet Mayweather schooled him in one of his final 3 fights.

    I shudder at the thought of Crawford vs Canelo.

    Anyone can dress things up.
     
  6. PaddyGarcia

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  7. TISONLYONEKING

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    Mayweather punches off all of the looks - Paulie during Floyd/Canelo

    Floyd was/is a way better counter puncher than Crawford, who I like but isn't on Floyd's level at all. At center ring, against the ropes, whether leading or fighting backing up... Floyd was the master.
     
  8. SpeedKills

    SpeedKills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Crawford can counter with every punch, with power. body and head. Floyd can counter inside behind the shoulder roll, most of his counter work is off the shoulder roll(not saying he can’t counter other ways), shoulder in ropes included, he can’t counter in a trade riding shots like Crawford though. Crawford can counter with shoulder roll, he can counter without it, he can counter while stutter stepping, he can weave and counter akin to Pacquiao, bob and counter and he can ride shots and counter much better than Floyd more akin to Canelo(think of the look away) but better there too.

    Corley is plenty in league with Crawford’s opponents and Floyd was prime. Crawford still hasn’t taken that punishment.

    Similar to Mayweather Pacquiao I’d wager, Crawford can box, watch the Postol fight, he can keep it long and rely on his jab. Difference would be Crawford has more power, but also has a slightly leakier defense than Floyd, ying and yang. Would he win? Don’t know, Floyd didn’t exactly dominate, he just kept it quiet, with a jab or two to separate them in most occasions.
    I know some of you are butthurt. But Floyd isn’t perfect, fighter’s have strengths and weaknesses. I haven’t even said that Crawford is better than Floyd or would beat him, yet here we are, defensive people. No breakdowns of nothing, just defensive posturing. You gotta fight back man. If this was a resume comparison, yes, Mayweather by miles.

    I’d pick the current Crawford to destroy Canelo at 152.
     
  9. SpeedKills

    SpeedKills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I actually forgot about that. I refer to it as “The Way of The Intercepting Fist”(The exact intention of the moves is the basis of this style Bruce Lee talks about). I mean most elite do this. Crawford too. It’s just another avenue, not sure it still trumps Crawford’s overall countering. Floyd is probably better at this move though since it relies more on IQ and I’m rating his IQ above Crawford’s atm.
     
  10. DrederickTatum

    DrederickTatum We really outchere. Full Member

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    People rate Crawford highly for being able to fight badly in both stances.

    If that's the criteria for an ATG , then **** I might be an ATG.
     
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  11. SpeedKills

    SpeedKills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lol. It’s just me here though, everyone else says Floyd, easily. More complete, more skilled too. Maybe I’m stupid. Crawford could unify 147 by beating Spence and Pacquiao and then unify 154lb’s, end his career having unified 3 divisions and I wonder if it the “nowhere close” would still be the consensus in retrospect. Would the excuse be he wasn’t that good then, he’s much better now?

    Anyway, If we’re not bothering to take into account what they are displaying/displayed and are just going to go off the facts of the resume(Floyd beat Pacquiao, ofcourse he’s better than Crawford at everything). Then these threads are less than meaningless, not even worth a discussion.
     
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  12. DrederickTatum

    DrederickTatum We really outchere. Full Member

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    Boxing is so subjective man, you're not an idiot for having a different opinion.

    I was being flippant, but I genuinely rate Crawford.

    However, the question is whether he is as skilled as Mayweather.

    The best evidence I've got for that not being the case, is Crawfords fight against Dulorme.
    Dulorme in no way looked outclassed in that fight, and without the power that Crawford holds, that would've been a close fight all night long.

    Dulorme fights in a similar way to Cotto, though he's faster and a bit more sloppy on the inside.

    Watch what Mayweather did to Cotto.


    The list of skills that Crawford lacks in comparison to Mayweather is vast:
    Lateral movement, inside guarding, inside foot movement, versatile jab, balance, combination speed, pulls and feints, just to name a few, without getting into the more intricate stuff.

    The list of skills that Mayweather lacks in comparison to Crawford is a lot smaller:
    Southpaw jab, clinchwork, fundamental blocking(though not really relevant.), and power, if you can count that.
     
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  13. Carpe Diem

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    Even Benavidez tagged him a few times consistently for a guy who’s supposedly better defensively than Mayweather. Crawford tend to widened his punches a bit, but he gets away with it because he hasn’t fought any sharpshooter yet(Not that there is any left at the WW division).
     
  14. DrederickTatum

    DrederickTatum We really outchere. Full Member

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    If the fight happens in the next couple of years, I'd bet fairly big on Pac KOing Crawford.

    Never doubting Pacquiao again after Thurman.
     
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  15. Carpe Diem

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    Crawford is an aggressive counter-puncher similar to JMM, Floyd is a defensive counter-puncher. Floyd can catch and shoot and he can lure his opponents into walking in the shots he wants to set up. While Crawford gets the job done via KO or TKO due to his aggressive approach, he takes a lot more of risk to counter in between punches and he tends to be on the losing end of a few exchanges(Benavidez in a few rounds, Dulorme, Gamboa. He hasn’t been hit as many times as Floyd throughout his career because he fought less times and against lesser quality opponents.