Would Norton do to Big Cat Williams what he did to Bobick?

Yes I know that but the miteff ranking was an unusual one because the monthly magazine was a couple of months out of date. They fought in May and this was Alex’s third fight that year. So far, He was 1-2 that year. Miteff had actually lost his last fight. It seems unusual a #7 ranked fighter would retain a ranking losing more than he was winning at that time? In his last three fights mitteff lost most recently to chuvalo, before this he beat unranked Alonzo Johnson, after losing back to back to both Henry Cooper and Eddie Machen. The one fight Mitteff won in the last 12 months was against Alonzo Johnson who had won just 2 of his last 6 fights. Very unusual rating. This is why I dispute Mitteff as a good win. At least Billy Daniels had only lost to Muhammad Ali at that point.

 

Criticise Miteff all you like. It doesn't change the fact that you were wrong to claim that Williams only got a rating by beating Billy Daniels.

The magazine was not out of date. Those are the ratings released to the press at the beginning of May.

 

I dispute the legitimacy of Miteff as a top tier opponent because I don’t understand how he could have been ranked losing so many fights under usual circumstances. And I don’t think that is unreasonable.

In three of the four years he had been active so far, Miteff lost fights every year.. Cooper and Chuvalo would have been regarded as higher than mitteff.

In this regard, Billy Daniels was more legit when Williams beat him. With Mitteff Ranked or not, only the win over Daniels supports Williams credibility as a top fighter who can outpoint live opponents.

 

I think Norton would knock Williams out.
Probably not in 1 round.

 

Yes, they were - Cooper was ranked 4th and Chuvalo 6th. Miteff's performance in dropping a split decision to Chuvalo in his hometown of Toronto was good enough to convince both the Ring and the NBA that he still belonged in the top 10.

 

I don’t understand how. Miteff had not beat a contender himself for quite some time. In the last 12 months miteff was losing more than he was winning.

 

Because these ratings are compiled by people who understand that gauging a fighter's ability involves more than just counting the red and green blobs against his name on boxrec. If one judge had seen one round differently in Miteff v Chuvalo so that Miteff got the win, would that make him a higher class of fighter? Of course not, the fight would remain what it was - a very close, even contest between two solid but not world-beating contenders.

 

One thing I will concede is that if the majority of contenders fought as many contenders as often as Mitteff did they would fare no better than miteff actually did around the time Williams best him. Since, In this era, more contenders were willing to face one another.

Yes Chuvalo only shaded Miteff but in those days Chuvalo himself was losing more fights than he was winning in 1960 too. George was also 1-2 in his last 3. This included a recent loss to Pete Radmacher, who just months before was savagely knocked out by Brian London and, after beating Chuvalo, would then be knocked out again 12 months or so later by a very old Archie Moore.

Very unusual circumstances.

so in beating miteff you are looking at a guy who is a fringe name. An opponent losing fights on the road who somehow had a ranking higher than Pete radmacher?

 

You don’t question his rating?

The last guy who beat him lost to a guy knocked out by Brian London.

 

The best guy Williams ever beat was billy Daniels. And he didn’t knock him out. This was his highest watermark,

he previously knocked out Alex Miteff when he was on the slide, and Cleveland probably deservedly registered a rating doing it. I am not convinced Alex justifies a legitimate current rating at that time.

 

Norton would not beat Williams in one. In fact, Williams vs Norton is a toss up fight.

Norton might be a little more technical than Williams, but Williams is more aggressive, and more of a natural fighter.

 

What do you consider Williams best knockout win over an elite opponent?