Yeah I always kinda figured there was responsibility on both ends from piecing together things I’ve read over the years.. shame though. That would have been a match for true lineage
Some of Pernell Whitaker's. His backside nearly touched the ring canvas at times as the punches sailed overhead..
When you get into it the evidence is somewhat ambiguous. For a start I can't see any point where either fighter was obligated to take the fight .
I tend to think that a duck has to imply some sort of moral obligation to meet the fighter, such as they are a mandatory, or the outstanding challenger.
Charley Burley and Holman William's promising each other (on a pinky swear) no less never to face that Dead Kid from the Lower East Side. Rocky Graziano. They both checked under their beds for Graziano before they went to bed. The man was terrifying.
While we were eating, Benton said, "Bobby, what's up with Foreman and Tyson, how come they're not fighting each other on the 16th? Isn't that the fight that King was trying to make?" He said, "Georgie, You'll never believe this but, ****in' Tyson is scared **** less of Foreman and wants no part of him. I was there when Don was trying to make the fight. He was telling Tyson that Foreman represented huge money, plus he was old and slow and would be no problem. Tyson got up and screamed at King saying, 'I'm not fight in' that ****in' animal, if you love the mother****er so much, you fight him!'" Foreman: We Had Serious Talks, Mike Tyson Didn't Want To Fight By Edward Chaykovsky Published On Tue Sep 20, 2016, 03:32 AM EDT By Edward Chaykovsky According to former heavyweight champion George Foreman, there were serious negotiations - more than once - to have a fight with Mike Tyson, but Big George is claiming that Iron Mike never wanted to follow through with the match. When Foreman snapped a 10 year layoff in 1987, he was knocking out the competition with ease. But he was never able to get division ruler and undisputed world champion, Tyson, in the ring. Foreman racked in 24 wins and 23 by knockouts before he was able to secure a world title shot at Evander Holyfield in 1991. Holyfield was a better man that night, and it wasn't until 1994 when Foreman pulled off his historic knockout to beat Michael Moorer for the IBF/WBA heavyweight crown. Foreman believes Tyson's original trainer, Cus D'Amato warned him with stories of Foreman's power from when Big George was blasting out guys like Joe Frazier. "There were a couple of times, serious negotiations were going on with the Mike Tyson fight. Mike Tyson just didn’t want to fight me. Not to say he couldn’t have beaten me. I mean, this guy could punch. The bigger they are the harder they’d fall as far as Mike Tyson was concerned," Foreman told On The Ropes Boxing Radio. "I guess that I have a feeling, his first original trainer and manager, Cus D’Amato, must have told him about George Foreman’s punching power as though I would never comeback. So sometimes when you come back and a guy remembers those stories, he says to himself, ‘Look, leave that guy alone’. But I don’t think I would have been that much problems to him. I had a good left jab and I’d always do better when guys come to me,
Floyd skipped the fight with Terrell to fight the actual champion, Ali, instead, I think. Seems a sound choice.
I have also heard these stories, but I remain a bit skeptical. There are problems with this narrative. The overlap between their careers is not very good, with Foreman peaking while Tyson was in prison. That means that neither man was under any obligation or pressure to fight the other, and it probably wasn't in either fighters interests. The one time when the fight could have been made, was when Foreman held the lineal title, and that puts the ball firmly in his court.
Jack Johnson ducking Sam Langford. Johnson even pulled out of a signed contract to fight Langford, then skirted him for several years where Langford was viewed as the #1 contender.
How so, they both sign a contract, one guy bolts. Langford's manager tired very hard to make this match, Johnson simply didn't want it. It never happens. There is always politics.
In this interview George claims he wanted no part of Tyson, although if I remember rightly he also added that Tyson was wary of me. Shame it never happened, but I have no reason not to believe him, it's probably like at school when the two hardest lad's stay away from each other! This content is protected
I agree with this. I think "duck" has become a too widely used term. Foreman was never the nr 1 contender. I don't know what Tyson privately thought of Foreman, but he was never seen as a threat to Tyson as far as I can remember. In the late 80's he was more seen as a novelty act, albeit a hard punching one, as I recall. Holy and maybe Ruddock were seen as the only ones even resembling a challenge to Tyson after Spinks.