Lomachenko vs Juan M. Marquez

No idea but it would be an insane fight, a real fantasy matchup

 

This. But don't tell that to his fans. They refuse to acknowledge that Marquez struggles with pure boxers and counter boxers. Even though there is video evidence of it happening over and over again throughout his career.

 

I think Loma would win on points.

Then Marquez will cry that he was robbed.

 

Loma wins

 

This......

 

Depending on how much PEDed Marquez by fight night

 

Love both fighters. Cracking contest.

I don't see Lomachenko stopping JMM like @CST80 said but the contest is his to take on the cards.

JMM gives Lomachenko a better fight than Linares certainly did anyway.

 

Don’t think it’s counter punching more so than potshotting. Marquez’ reflexes and speed are not that great that he can compete well when a fast fighter is potshotting him. Pacquiao figured this out in fight 3 and utilised this more in fight 4. Those lead lefts basically couldn’t miss Marquez.

 

Marquez right up there amongst my favourite fighters of all time, but great footwork and counter punching is the way to beat him. JMM could beat quality boxers of course, but an elite talent like Lomachenko, with that style, is a bridge too far. Don't for one second see Lomachenko stopping him, though.

Lomachenko UD. Competitive but clear.

 

Marquez typically struggles with guys who are capable of using the full compass of the ring to play hard to get and potshot. Lomachenko has never shown that capacity. He might take a little walk here and there, but he's primarily a highly offensive guy who enacts his defense from an aggressive position, he likes to stake his claim to ring center, he's not a guy who can get results backing off all night. You're never going to see him break character and elect to box off the back foot like Chavez did with Rocky Lockridge, for example. If he backs up, he's just backing up, he's either taking a walk or else being pushed back, he won't do it unless he wants to take a look at you or you're capable of playing the human truck and forcing the fish out of water with intense physical pressure.

So this fight plays out entirely in center ring, exactly where it ordinarily suits both guys.

There's a difference between trade counterpunchers and guys who counterpunch as part of their repertoire. Marquez is a trade counterpuncher. It's entirely who he is. He was the greatest counterpuncher of his generation, better in that niche than Floyd. Floyd beat him because he could keep it long, picking him off with singles and making him pursue when he fancied it, he had the particular compound of physical attributes, athleticism and technical solidity to enact that, which doesn't make Floyd a better counterpuncher, more a stylistic hamartia on a level where it could count (same story with Bradley, to a lesser degree). Lomachenko can and will punch on the counter, as most fighters can and will, but he loves to set a pace and get off first more and more as a fight proceeds. In his bout with Linares, he was facing comparable speed and another guy who loves to be first, so he had to concede some of his usual privileges early, before the tempo set in and he was able to fully establish that leadership preference by dint of his higher powered motor. Neither of the principles in that matchup was a trade counterpuncher, but Linares ended up playing the role more often than Loma and enjoyed some ultimately inconsequential spots of success in that bag. Linares is nowhere near the class of counterpuncher Juan is.

I favor Marquez strongly in the matchup. Some of the most educated footwork seen in center ring in the last 30 years enable him to adjust to Lomachenko's panoply of offensive angles, and his mastery of feints, reading comprehension and his timing work together with his punch selection to increasingly exploit the opportunities Lomachenko will feed him. He has the endurance required to go with Lomachenko, also.

If either of these guys can knock the other out, it's JMM. He's been the cracker of many a solid beard. Even if Lomachenko were to be getting the better of the action in center ring, he'll have to settle for a UD. Marquez can be hit, but he isn't basic enough to find himself flummoxed and struck with the kind of two-piece that laid Rocky Martinez out. You might catch him and drop him in an exchange, but he's not a guy you can count on to cringe away from an assault while relying on a flagrantly porous guard to protect him. As for forcing a stoppage, a more proven, harder-hitting offensive threat than Lomachenko couldn't take him out even after lighting him up with many of his best shots. Marquez' chin is very good, but his compound of endurance, savvy, will, powers of recovery and survival instinct is nothing short of staggering. Abiding under duress is a forte of the man. He shared forty-two highly combative rounds with a Top 50-15 ATG (and ATG offensive force), sporting the same smashed nose at the conclusion of the forty-second with which he'd finished the first, having navigated numerous perilous junctures in-between. Nobody can make Marquez quit (he's just one of those guys), so that's out. More than just tough, he might be the single most indomitable spirit the sport has seen in the last three decades.

Putting aside H2H, Lomachenko has work to do before he can ever be mentioned alongside a Marquez, historically speaking.

 

I rank Marquez solidly below his Mexican contemporaries and think hes overrated both in H2H and resume. Now Pacquiao is my favorite fighter ever so by saying that I'm trashing Pacs resume. True, but I'm fair.

You could not possibly better tailor a fighter's style in order to handle Pacquiao. Marquez is the ULTIMATE stylistic nightmare for Pacquiao. And yet he couldn't defeat him until the 4th fight when Pac was war torn and in a bad weight class for him.

Yea I give Marquez credit for his showings against Pacquiao. But you would a think that a guy who couldn't possibly be more tailor made for you wouldnt require 4 tries to get the job done.

When Pac fought a great fighter that was tailor made for his own style (Barrera) he crushed him with ease.

 

That statement doesn't come across as "fair" to me, so that's where I draw a line in the discussion between we two. It would be fruitless.

Erik Morales is by far my favorite of the Amigos, by the way. I'd love to rank him above JMM. I cannot reasonably do so, though I could probably fathom a generous argument.

 

I will add, Manny Pacquiao is not tailor made for anybody.

'JMM took four attempts to make Manny fall unconscious on his own face' is not a solid case for anything, especially when he won considerably more of the thirty-six rounds in their rivalry than did Manny.