Which of these WladKlit opponents would Deontay Wilder have beaten?

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Which of these WladKlit opponents would Wilder have beaten?

  1. Chris Byrd

    27.6%
  2. Jameel McCline

    74.1%
  3. Tony Thompson

    62.1%
  4. Sam Peter

    46.6%
  5. Sultan Ibragimov

    39.7%
  6. Ruslan Chagaev

    44.8%
  7. David Haye

    27.6%
  8. Alexander Povetkin

    17.2%
  9. Kubrat Pulev

    51.7%
  10. He wouldn't beat any of them

    20.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think he bombs out most of them. Being short, slow, not powerful enough, not skilled enough, these elements put you in danger. If you rack too many of these negatives up Wilder will win.

    Byrd might be skilled but is too small and doesn't have the power to ward off Wilder. Wilder will land just as Wlad did.
    Thompson is tall but way too slow, not enough power.
    McCline, not very familiar with him.
    Peter, too short and slow. That fat stationary head gets bombed Ortiz style.
    Sultan, little short, maybe skillful and powerful enough to counter Wilder, not sure.
    Pulev, tall and skilled, might last and win on points, might get nailed, not sure.
    Chagaev could be too short, but is skilled and has power, could nail Wilder, could get nailed, not sure.
    Haye small but fast, skilled and with power, good chance against Wilder.
    Povetkin small but very skilled and with power, good chance against Wilder.

    So I would say prime Povetkin and Haye probably beat Wilder. Sultan, Pulev, Chagaev have a shot. Peter has puncher's chance.
     
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  2. CST80

    CST80 Liminal Space Autochthon Staff Member

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    Well since the only guy he's ever lost to, also schooled Wlad, it's not a foregone conclusion than any of them beat him. From that list, the only ones I think that would have a chance are Povetkin and Haye, possibly Byrd.
     
  3. Mordechai

    Mordechai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thompson is a very sneaky old school fighter with a lot of tricks in the bag who is also very awkward. No way in hell wilder could or would beat him.

    Wilder would imo definitely lose to:
    Prime peter (first wlad fight) by ko
    Ibragimov by ko getting countered
    Haye by ko getting countered while missing wide
    Byrd 1 and 2 would outbox and not got caught by him
    Povetkin would have smashed him
    Thompson 1 and 2 would have koed him
     
  4. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    LOL. So, your beloved Lewis' best wins are all midgests as well - Holyfield was old cruiserweight, Tyson was shot and fat 5'10'', Tua was even shorter and fatter, Mercer was 6'1'' and he still arguably beat Lennox
     
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  5. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I also think that Peter from the first Wlad fight beats Wilder. If he took Wlad's best shots without going down or even being hurt except for the last round, and dropped Klitschko 3 times he will defeat Wilder for sure. Wilder can't box and he would have to fight on the back foot against iron chin, aggressive Peter.
     
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  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Well Wilder only fought 1 opponent that would be on this list for sure ( Fury ) Maybe Ortiz at age 40 was about even with some of those on the list and Wilder struggled to win there.

    Wilder will be 35 in a few months, what has he proven bedsides beating " B " fighters or very old fighters? Wilder has been exposed in victory vs. these B level fighters more than once, and all of them were carefully selected to be not big punchers. A few examples of struggling vs. B level guys, none of whom remotely deserved a title shot:

    Molina, shakes Wilder up. Wilder needs 9 rounds to beat him. Taken out in 3 by Joshua and Hrgovic, and KO'd another time by Breazeale in 8. Not a good performance for an " A " Level boxer, but Wilder isn't an A level heavyweight. He's got A power, B- level skills and a C level chin.

    Szpilka. Wilder was even on the cards vs. Szpilka. Who? How did Szpika get a title shot? Who did he beat? Another joke. Wilder who had trouble landed a bomb last to seal the victory. Szpilka has since been stopped by Kownacki in 4 rounds, and Chisoria in 2 rounds!

    Washington. The same old story of belt milking for a title shot vs. a non-top 20 guy...Washington was the better boxer here. About even on the cards until Wilder landed his bomb, which usually happens when the other guy doesn't engage or pressure Wilder, allowing him to land his long wind up punch. As you might have guessed, Washington was KO'd 3 times after this, losing in 2 quick rounds to Kownacki.

    Based on Kownacki beating Molina and Washington MUCH easier than Wilder did, he would be a good opponent for Wilder next, but I doubt his team would risk that fight!

    I would say the opponents Wilder beat that I mentioned don't belong on this list, and considering how Wilder struggled with the and how some the listed Wlad title opponents could punch, he's losing a few. If there's 9 matches here, maybe Wilder wins 4 or 5 of 9 matches. Kick out McCline and add either Sanders or Brewster likely picks up another loss.
     
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  7. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado banned Full Member

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    McCline in his prime was a decent heavyweight. He was ranked in the top ten by The Ring at one point, and I think he would have had a very good chance of beating Wilder at that time.

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    Ibragimov was much more skilled than Wilder:

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    Chagaev has also beaten taller fighters:

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  8. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can you say "schooled" after beating a 40 year old?
    Maybe you want to go and "school" your grandpa in boxing and then brag about it
     
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  9. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Everyone knows that I consider Wilder and outright fraud, but this thread is not a Wilder hate thread. I am trying to let everyone have a voice to reach a consensus. But yeah, you are preaching to the choir.
     
  10. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Wilder got a gift draw vs one of the worst versions of Fury the world has ever seen. When he was given time to acclimatise from walking around 350lbs+ and had stayed off the booze - we all saw what happened.

    Wilder was being made to look a fool by the likes of Szpilka, Durhurpas, Washington etc...it's far more likely he loses to everyone on that list than beats them.
     
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  11. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I'm your huckleberry, that's just mah game Full Member

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    Voted McCline, Thompson, Peter and Pulev (last two are close).

    McCline I think he cracks early and sends to the canvas. He wasn't much better than Breazeale, Washington, Duhaupas and co, and tended to freeze up on big occasions.

    Thompson is a bit too old and slow to trouble Wilder. He might last longer than most due to his trickiness but sooner or later he gets put to sleep.

    Peter is a close fight. Depends on what gameplan Wilder employs. He fights at range and pot shots Peter with his jab and right hand and I think he wins a decision or possibly late stoppage. Dangerous fight though.

    Pulev doesn't do well against taller fighters due to his style. He might outbox Wilder for a number of rounds then take his eye off the ball and got clocked. Ortiz did, and he's a better boxer than Pulev.

    Povetkin I'm still unsure of. It's a fight I can envision either man winning.

    Byrd outslicks Wilder with ease. UD every day of the week.

    Sultan and Chagaev outbox Wilder and take him on points. Far too quick and well-schooled.

    Haye probably knocks him out. Could happen the other way though. Haye could be reckless.
     
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  12. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Boxing has some very ignorant fans. I'm defining why Wilder was part fraud and hope no future champion sneaks a belt, and defends it like Wilder did. That ruined a portion of heavyweight boxing.
     
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  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    No doubt about it when a geriatric cemented-footed magnet for right hands head Ortiz is your best win and a giant penguin who also has cement feet and whose head is a magnet for right hands is your second one and a sick version of said giant penguin at that.
     
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  14. kostya by ko

    kostya by ko Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad actually fought them, Wilder would have found a way to duck all of them.

    Wilder comes into fights in shape, has many very good attributes including not giving up when he's down ... but he just doesn't make the fights people want to see happen. Not until Fury 2 anyway.

    Wilder Haye would have been harder to force to actually eventuate than Wlad Haye was.
     
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  15. ILikeBoxingForRealz

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    Because I think thats a no brainer. Sanders would have cracked Wilder's face