ATG LHW Tourney - Round 2 - Michael Spinks vs Roy Jones Jr

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by George Crowcroft, May 2, 2020.



Who Wins?

Poll closed May 5, 2020.
  1. Spinks Wins

    76.5%
  2. Jones Wins

    23.5%
  1. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Roy Jones knocked out Virgil Hill (broke his ribs), Montell Griffin, Merqui Sosa, Clinton Woods, and floored Reggie Johnson twice and Julio Gonzales three times in their light heavyweight fights.

    He could punch.

    I would favor Spinks, too. I think he carried a lot of his power up to heavyweight. Whereas, Jones maxed out at 175.

    But Jones (in his heyday - before he moved up and fought Ruiz) could punch.

    People seem to be able to separate the downside of a boxer's career when looking back at old timers, and they tend to view them solely as they were in their primes ... through rose-colored glasses.

    They are less forgiving of modern fighters and many seem to take joy in focusing on the bad times when it comes to them.
     
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  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Step away from the keyboard.

    He's a great puncher, absolutely, but lets not go there.
     
  3. BundiniBlack

    BundiniBlack Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Who did McClellan knockout that was considered impossible to knockout? Because at 168 Roy knocked out Mulinga and Thornton? Its not fair to compare anyone to Roy as a puncher, no one has a more spectacular highlight reel of finishes vs the level of of opponents Roy fought. No one is even close really and the kicker is he did it equally with both hands.

    Roy's equally as accurate as Floyd(the most accurate) except instead of throwing 1 punch at a time pot shots and counters. Roy's throwing 7 punch combinations and/or leaping haymakers. Again it doesn't seem fair that Roy the least measured fighter ever could be as accurate as the most measured ATGs so people are in denial.
     
  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're the only one in denial lmao.
     
  5. BundiniBlack

    BundiniBlack Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ok I ask again who is the most impressive fighter the G-Man stopped? I'll help you the answer is probably Gilbert Baptiste who took the fight on super short notice

    Roy stopped Tate Woods Malinga Sosa Hill etc etc.
     
  6. KeedCubano

    KeedCubano Read my posts in a Jamaican accent Full Member

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    Spinks via Kaboom!
     
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  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jackson would Jones' 2nd best MW win.

    And you're talking like McClellan wouldn't decimate those guys.
     
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  8. Dubblechin

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    Gerald McClellan was essentially beaten to death by Nigel Benn. If not for the expertise of his surgeon, he'd have died.

    McClellan could punch hard, but he wasn't someone who could absorb a lot of shots. He rarely took a beating. When he finally did, he nearly died.

    So "assuming" he would "decimate" the string of light heavyweights Roy Jones actually did beat has no basis in reality.

    Gerald never displayed the ability to take shots from top light heavyweights and never showed he could beat a single one.
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

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    Jones was KOed for 8 minutes by a love tap from Glen Johnson. Don't compare his chin with McClellan's, it's laughable.

    This is a about power, not who's a better fighter. Only a McClellan fanboy or Jones hater would make that claim, of which I'm sure me and you are neither.

    For the same reason someone like Wilder is obviously a massive puncher, so is McClellan. The power is there on film. It speaks for itself.
     
  10. KeedCubano

    KeedCubano Read my posts in a Jamaican accent Full Member

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    Jesus Christ, how can you defence saying Jones was the hardest puncher of all time. He wasn't even top 3 of his era!
     
  11. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Roy will become afraid of Spinks early and run ,, this ends one way Spinks by brutal knockout.
     
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  12. Dubblechin

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    That's like saying Ezzard Charles couldn't take a punch because he couldn't stay off the floor against Johnny Holman or Donnie Fleeman.

    Roy Jones was done against Glen Johnson. That was evident from the opening bell. You seem to love to compare Jones after 35, but won't do the same with boxers from other eras.

    It's like you never saw Jones against anyone prior to the Tarver fight.

    Gerald McClellan was in his prime and was essentially beaten to death against Nigel Benn, the first and really only time McClellan took a beating in a fight. Nearly 90 percent of his previous fights lasted two rounds or less.

    McClellan never showed ANY ability to take a shot. Ever. He nearly DIED the first time he got hit hard regularly in a fight.

    He is a classic example of someone who couldn't absorb a beating. The first beating he took all but killed him.

    Yet, you assume he'd moved up ABOVE the weight where he nearly died at and would just steamroll all the champs Jones beat there? Based on what? He never knocked out a top light heavyweight. He barely lived against the first top super middleweight he faced.
     
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  13. Dubblechin

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    Roy Jones and Gerald McClellan fought as amateurs in 1988, the year of the Olympics. McClellan won a split decision over three rounds.

    There is a video of John Scully and Roy Jones sparring on youtube. At the end, you see Gerald McClellan sitting with Ray Leonard watching the session.

    According to Scully, the sparring session took place three weeks after the McClellan-Jones fight, and McClellan refused to spar with anyone at that camp because he said his jaw was so sore from the Jones fight.

    Basically, a month after going three with Jones, McClellan still wasn't fit to spar. McClellan was never very durable.
     
  14. FighterInTheWind

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    Wut? Jackson hit him with flush shots that would've shook even Hagler in their first fight.

    Edit: There was also a lot of different factors in the Benn fight. For instance, I wonder if those rabbit punches did not cause more issues than legitimate boxing punches.
     
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  15. George Crowcroft

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    McClellan took bombs off Julian Jackson. That and that alone is good enough for me to call his chin credible, not to mention the war with Benn in which he took a knee of his own accord, not the cause of a single punch but a long barrage where he took Benn's best for 9 rounds. He could take a punch.