Povetkin who fought Joshua vs Ortiz who fought Wilder

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Povetkin(AJ fight) vs Ortiz(first Wilder fight)

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  2. Ortiz

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  1. RB1702

    RB1702 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Who wins this one?
     
  2. Twoo tomm

    Twoo tomm Member Full Member

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    Weird match up, Povetkin was definitely a couple of years past his best when he fought Joshua, but still looked great.

    Nobody has a clue where Ortiz was potential wise when he fought Wilder, or how good he was in general.

    I’m honestly going with Povetkin by wide decision on points.
     
  3. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Povetkin has a much better track record, and a better performance against their common opponent Christian Hammer (who's also incidentally one of Ortiz's best wins but a footnote on Povetkin's). Ortiz struggled at times when Hammer opened up on him, so I can't imagine he'd cope too well with Povetkin's compact combinations coming in at him from all angles for twelve rounds. Ortiz has those solid counter shots which might buzz Povetkin early on, but I can see Povetkin's pace and ability to time Ortiz wearing him down as the fight goes on. Whether Povektin can stop Ortiz or not I don't know, as we've never seen Ortiz's chin tested outside of the Wilder fights.

    Povetkin on points then.
     
  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Povetkin. Way better amateur and pro career and it's not even remotely close.

    Ortiz was getting lit up by right hands all night from a worse Hammer than the one Povetkin pretty much schooled and this is because, as I've been saying for years now, Ortiz's massive melon is and always has been a magnet for right hands.

    Even back in his prime in the amateurs he couldn't get that big melon out of the way of them. Watch what happens here as soon as that dawns on Alexander Pov.

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    Ortiz on the Hammer fight

    “The fight wasn’t what I was expecting,” Ortiz admitted. “It was a hard fight and my corner really had to work with me. It was a hard fight. After I got the rhythm, I heated up a little bit.

    Hammer

    “Ortiz is a very good and experienced fighter,” Hammer said. “He’s technical and smart but he’s not as intimidating as people say he is. I respect Ortiz, but I don’t think he’s the best fighter I’ve ever faced.
     
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  5. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Tekin one of my favorite fighters but a counter puncher stops him
     
  6. LoadedGlove

    LoadedGlove Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Two old boys with plenty of power but dodgy stamina. I don't see how this can go the distance. Both looked good early on the fights specified by the OP.
    Ortiz is physically bigger and that's an advantage he would certainly play on, tying Povetkin up as he tries to get inside and leaning on him, pushing him back. He showed plenty of cute, unorthodox skills against Wilder and fair hand speed too.
    Povetkin is more orthodox, basically a very well schooled product of the Eastern European system and, as we know, hits very hard.
    I can see Ortiz finding a hard counter as both men tire. Povetkin would unravel as much fro fatigue as anything and get stopped in 7 or 8.
     
  7. FuryFTW

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    Povetkin was shot and washed up when AJ fought him, having been in so many wars

    Ortiz was at his peak, fresh, being avoided by the entire division

    Ortiz easily kos that version of povetkin
     
  8. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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  9. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Povetkin was always the better fighter. He would have destroyed Wilder.
     
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  10. FuryFTW

    FuryFTW Active Member banned Full Member

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    Maybe povetkin was better in like 2010, but that's debatable.

    In 2018 Ortiz was far superior, the entire division was ducking him, nobody was ducking old man povetkin after all the beatings he'd received.
     
  11. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    The goal of these threads you keep making is pretty obvious.

    In any case, this would have been a difficult fight to call. I'd go Povetkin decision in a competitive fight
     
  12. Tankatron

    Tankatron Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So the fighter who in his last fight with a young, hungry, high work rate and initially very aggressive fighter in Hunter which went the distance to a draw is easily beaten by Ortiz, 2 years prior to said fight even happening?

    Ok then....

    Yet again, Ortizn't, who's best win is Bryant Jennings and now he beats a guy who's been a top 10 Heavyweight for 13-14 years......EASILY!

    This is the same Ortizn't who was so feared by the rest of the Heavyweight division that AJ (who we all know you despise) offered him a career high payday as a subby for June 1st and inexplicably turned it down cuz you know, he's the best Heavyweight to never win a title according to some morons on here....Jesus.
     
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  13. FuryFTW

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    Joshua was trying to get Ortiz to come in on short notice with a 4 week training camp

    We all know what that was, typical Hearn BS. AJ wanted none of it with Ortiz having a proper camp.
     
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  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Not if he got caught first.
     
  15. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ortiz would have beaten AJ given proper time to prepare.