How was George Foreman better than Max Baer

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  1. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lot people thought Young beat Ali to for the belt too.
     
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  2. ivanovichjones

    ivanovichjones Member banned Full Member

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    his jab is what makes him better
     
  3. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I'm your huckleberry, that's just mah game Full Member

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    Or a Serbian pretending to be German. With an Italian first name.
     
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  4. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I'm your huckleberry, that's just mah game Full Member

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    And his defence, and distance control, and ring generalship, and professionalism...
     
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  5. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Overall, Foreman has clearly better resume but fighters like Farr, Schaff, Griffiths and Galento weren't really worse than Lyle, Conney, Chuvalo or Briggs. Foreman was more consistent, won less fights and his destruction of Frazier and Norton was overall more impressive than Baer's destruction of Schmeling and Carnera but let's not act like Baer had terrible resume. He was a fine champion and great talent that lacked consistency.
     
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  6. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But could he close his eyes?
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    With a few jabs easily.
     
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  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Carnera would never have been a champ during the 70`s.
     
  9. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

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    The issue here is that aside from Schmeling, nobody on Baer's resume is in the same stratosphere as Frazier or Norton in terms of skill and overall athletic ability. It gets worse if you include the 2nd career where Foreman demolished an undefeated champion young enough to be his son.

    Baer's career simply isn't on the same level. Even their losses aren't the same. He lost his title to Braddock, a career journeyman much smaller than him with double digit losses and who got destroyed soon afterward by Louis. Foreman lost to a guy whose considered by many to be the #1 heavyweight of all time and who made several excuses for not rematching Foreman.

    They are not in the same stratosphere in terms of overall boxing ability either. Foreman has him in ring IQ, finishing ability (Baer was very sloppy even when he had a guy groggy), defense, body punching, timing, one of the best jabs in the entire division's history, parrying, cutting off the ring, etc.

    Baer had a decent career, I'm not saying he was garbage and his power would make him a threat with almost anyone. But if we're being honest he was basically Earnie Shavers with a stronger chin.
     
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  10. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Tuffy Griffiths has a fun name to say
     
  11. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Grin!
     
  12. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Can’t agree with that. John Tate and Ken Norton were able to become champs, so Carnera could definitely pick up a title in the 70’s.