Prime Mike McCallum beats Canelo or GGG like a drum

How does that mean that Mike wouldn’t have beaten GG or Canelo?

Who has GG beaten in comparison?

Mike fought and beat better fighters than GG has.

He’s more proven.

GG’s biggest official win is against Jacobs.

He struggled with Jacobs. If he struggled with Jacobs, would he have beaten Steve Collins and Michael Watson etc?

Canelo’s biggest win at the weight is against a faded GG.

He struggled with Lara and Trout at JMW.

Mike had more ability and beat more quality fighters who were in their prime.

Where’s the logic in saying that Mike couldn’t have beaten them?

Unless they show me anything different, Mike would have been the favourite for me.

 

Jacobs as good as a fighter he is does simply not have the ''IT'' factor to make him great. I always got the impression he ''second guesses'' himself and it's probably because of his past history.

Golovkin was in a tough fight with Jacobs but his jab clearly won him the fight with the knockdown.

 

Yes, it is only you that carry’s that powerful knowledge

 

Shifting the goalposts. OK.

Jacobs rehydrated to the size of a cruiserweight and GGG didn't. Jacobs would give McCallum all he could handle, and take that to the bank.

Opinion. I note that Graham lost almost every time he stepped up in class.

Opinion.

They never fought, so that's also opinion. Besides, Golovkin turned Murray inside out while McCallum struggled to beat his best opponents.

Actually I don't. I think guys like Proksa, Geale and Monroe would have given McCallum far more trouble and rounds than they did Golovkin. I think that guys like Jacobs and Derevyanchenko might well beat MM and I'm confident that Canelo beats him.

I don't. I think he drops one or two.

Your opinion.

 

No he wont...he would get avoided like he did when hearns, leonard.duran and hagler were the ****...

 

BCS8,

I like Lemieux.

He’s not renowned as the monster puncher that Jackson was though. Nor was he as big or as skilled.

I don’t think many people would argue with that.

I think Jacobs is a good fighter. But I don’t think he was any better or bigger than Micheal Watson.

Herol came within a whisker of beating Mike, and he had a close fight with Sumbu Kalambay.

Monroe never mixed in that company and he doesn’t look as skilled.

He also wasn’t as big.

Really?

And that’s all it is?

Peak versions of Julian Jackson, Sumbu Kalambay, Herol Graham and Micheal Watson?

A young Steve Collins?

GG’s biggest wins are against Jacobs, Dev and Murray.

Go and find me someone who thinks that Martin Murray was a better fighter than Sumbu Kalambay.

Yes, Mike struggled with some of his opponents. That’s because they were better opponents.

Peak versions of Kalambay and Graham were tougher stylistic challenges that what Martin Murray brought to the table.

You don’t think that Mike would easily have beaten Murray with his skill set?

He beat Watson and Collins etc.

He almost beat a peak version of James Toney when he was 36.

Martin Murray wouldn’t have been an issue for Mike.

Mike beat better fighters than him.

Possibly. Very different styles. But I don’t see Mike having too many problems.

It’s okay saying that you’d confidently pick Canelo, but Canelo has stamina issues and he’s never come close to beating a guy with Mike’s skill set.

Mike was a great technician.

I don’t know what Canelo has done to make you so confident.

To who?

Okay.

What’s he done to prove that he’s better than Mike?

He hasn’t beaten better fighters.

Title defences against B and C class aren’t enough.

 

McCallum is far better than Triple G and Canelo

 

I absolutely would argue with that.

Lemieux was both bigger and more skilled than Jackson. I might even say that the Lemieux Golovkin fought hit harder than the Jackson McCallum fought, because he was so much bigger. P4P punching power is debatable. If you said Jackson, I wouldn't argue too much. I shall demonstrate.

Exhibit A:

Mike McCallum 153 lbs beat Julian Jackson 152 lbs by TKO at 2:03 in round 2 of 15
https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Mike_McCallum_vs._Julian_Jackson

Exhibit B:

Gennadiy Golovkin 159 lbs beat David Lemieux 160 lbs by TKO at 1:32 in round 8 of 12
https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Gennady_Golovkin_vs._David_Lemieux

In addition, Lemieux has since gone up a division since he was bursting out of his skin trying to make 160. Both fight videos are conveniently on Boxrec.

Please notice how Jackson does his best impression of a barroom brawler, winging in punches from roughly the judges box. Notice how Mike does nothing too special, fighting from behind a jab and creating space to stifle Jackson's attack. Basically, the same sort of things GGG does.

Meanwhile Lemieux is fighting from behind a jab and throwing crisp 1-2's as well as trying to slip GGG's jab. He uses head movement and keeps his hands nice and high. Unfortunately Golovkin is a master boxer and it all falls apart for Lemieux - but David shows far better boxing skills than Julian in these clips. It's undeniable.

And yet again we disagree. Apart from Jacobs having factually fought at the higher weight of the two, his record far surpasses Watson's. Watson's best win was Benn, and other than that he fell apart every time he stepped it up. Jacobs beat Derevyanchenko, Quillin, Mora and Truax and gave unbeaten fighters like Arias and Sulecki their first losses. That's in addition to giving Canelo and Golovkin a hell of a time. Jacobs >> Watson.

... some say Kalambay beat McCallum twice. Murray never came close to beating Golovkin.

I think he would have struggled much more than Golovkin and that Murray would have seen the end bell. He'd probably have won, but, that's a also a matter of conjecture because Murray is huge and McCallum simply doesn't have the power Golovkin has, to gain Murray's respect.

If you can't see Canelo's class, then I can't help you. Fast, accurate and heavy-handed combination puncher combined with an iron chin and an extremely slippery defence. Add to that the best steroids money can buy, and you have a little monster in the ring.

 

Sulecki was still relatively unproven when he fought Jacobs. Derevyanchenko is another guy who got hyped here (perhaps because of his surname and his amateur experience) who in my opinion is another pretty mediocre boxer. He has no real jab, he sits in the pocket too much and not to mention he's been knocked down every time he's stepped up.

I watched the Golovkin vs Derevyanchenko twice and no he did not beat a slow, lethargic looking GGG. He was knocked down and didn't up the tempo enough to pressurize Golovkin enough like Canelo tried to do in the 2nd fight.

 

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Lemieux went the distance with this guy.

Curtis Stevens has been stopped by lesser men than Lemieux also.

 

Achour was 26-6-3, not a shabby record. You know that Jackson went the distance with a guy that was 2-9-0, right?

Are we really gonna play this game?

 

I don`t think McCallum proved he was a monster at 160 because he never dominated a world class fighter at middle, he lost to Kalambay then one the rematch but it was close, he didn`t look great v Collins either, Canelo uses a high guard very well now, Mike never faced a defense lie that, Watson didn`t use the high guard the way Canelo does and his defense wasn`t as tight as it was v Benn.

 

Jackson knocked out Norris and Graham who were far better than any fighters Lem knocked out in his respective weight class.