1919 Jack Dempsey vs 1927 Gene Tunney

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Tunney or Dempsey

  1. Tunney wins vs any version

    29.6%
  2. Jack catches Tunney and blasts him out

    70.4%
  1. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Does the prime Manassa Mauler have the legs and athletic ability to close the distance and chop down Tunney? Or does Tunney's superior boxing ability that enabled him to win 19 of 20 rounds against a faded and rusty jack prevail?
     
  2. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think a more explosive and dynamic Dempsey takes this.
    Although outboxed he did eventually catch up with Tunney and arguably stop him in their second fight.
    I think a prime Dempsey pressurises Tunney more intensely and catches up with him.
    It would still be tough though as Tunney had a great ring IQ and underrated power and it still wouldn’t be a surprise if he took a decision.
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I think that Dempsey had the speed and wheels to catch Tunney.
     
  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Look at the actual rematch that happened when Tunney was at his peak and a faded Dempsey had been able to get back in shape.

    Had that fight happened in 1919 Dempsey stands over Tunney and never gives him chance to recover.

    Tunney goes down in history as just another Dempsey victim by brutal stoppage.
     
  5. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Depend of the rules. If Dempsey has to go to the corner in the count then tunney survives and outbox him, under the willard/dempsey rules then Jack stops him.
     
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  6. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    I would make Dempsey a slight favorite even under the neutral corner rule.

    Dempsey's legs were gone by the time of those fights. Dempsey should be able to pressure him and win a close decision or possible late stoppage. I would not rule Tunney out though.
     
  7. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Neutral corner rules
     
  8. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Dempsey by stoppage under 8
     
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  9. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Dempsey gives Tunney a worse beating than Greb did in their first fight.

    Dempsey KO 5.
     
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  10. surfinghb1

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    The fights speak for themselves imo.. 1919 Dempsey Ko's any version of Tunney.... He was so close to gettin there after his layoff , that with the extra speed bye bye Tunney
     
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  11. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tunney beats any version of Dempsey, plus there were only 2 years between them and Dempsey was 31 when they fought, it’s funny how people make out he was washed up
     
  12. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I would bet my money on Dempsey.

    Not saying that it would be easy, but his body of work is so much better.

    A lot of Tunney's legacy, turns on getting Dempsey at the right time.
     
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  13. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dempsey by KO.
     
  14. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    IMHO, it's not even close. I'd pray that they make Tunney the favorite, or at least even money. Then I'd scrape together all the money I could bet, and put it on Dempsey to win! And I'd sleep like a baby, with a smile on my face, the night before the fight! It would be the largest bet I ever made. I might sprain my wrist counting my winnings afterwards. And then proceed to damage my liver in celebration.
    :godsdrink0nw:

    And if they decided on a rematch, I'd let it ride, even though Jack would be favored after they saw what he did to Gene in the last fight.
     
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