Amir Khan vs Pernell Whitaker @140

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  1. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Go into detail. All you've said is "reach, work rate, and speed". He has a 2 inch reach advantage, a lower work rate than Whitaker, and a negligible speed advantage. You're acting like Khan is Tommy Hearns.
     
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  2. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I see a quittage like he did against crawford
     
  3. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Casuals who think throwing a 1-2 with speed and combo punching equals boxing master.
     
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  4. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    This has to be a troll post.
     
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  5. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Lmfao! Not even worthy of a real response.
     
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  6. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Bulldog is very biased towards Brit fighters, he thinks Eubank Sr was an ATG!
     
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  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Khan was a lot easier to hit than Norton who was told to jab with Ali to neutralise Ali`s jab he was told this by Futch, Khan ws nevder trained by any trainder as good as Futch and didn`t learn much from Roach, Whitaker constantly jabbed and had good hand speed, he threw far more jabs than Judah did, Khan never showed he could neutralise a constant fast jab at all.
     
  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Whitaker`s work rate was higher than Khan`s, he threw far more jabs constantly and Khan was easy to hit.
     
  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Are you trying to say no fighter at Khan`s weights could have out-boxed him? He was not a good boxer and just clinched whenever in close, he would have been stopped by Chavez.
     
  10. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nah.

    Why do you think Khan just completely outclassed Paulie, Judah and Devon the ways Bradley couldn't come close to with Devon and Cotto couldn't with Paulie and Floyd/Cotto couldn't with Judah?

    The usual response to that is they're not in the same class. Sure they're not but styles makes fights. You actually have to visualise the fight.

    Khan is an Olympic medalist, his style is basically run and score points. The way to beat him is to not allow him to do that by knocking him to or hurting him. So who beat him so far?

    Peterson - who did a lot of roughouse tactics and was on roids and got a gift.
    Garcia - with a no look left hook and a very hard puncher.
    Crawford - who some consider to be a very hard puncher, fairly big for a WW too.
    Prescott- perfect left hook.
    Canelo - doesn't even need explaining.

    So now we see a pattern. The fighters Khan beat are all light punching outboxers, with the exception of Judah. The guys who beat him mauled him or hit too damn hard for his fragile chin.

    Whitaker is a 5'6 guy who is fairly light puncher for a WW. How do you expect him to beat Khan? Outbox him? They're both skilled operators (you don't beat Mario Kindeland without skills) in the outboxer style, the difference is Khan will be a step away so Pea needs to stay in range to hit Khan. But for him to reach Khan he has to get into range, he has to risk himself to hit Khan, Khan doesn't need to risk himself to hit Pea, because he can pop him out of reach.

    Wlad was an ATG, Fury was a joke who uppercut himself, he completely shutout Wlad - why? Reach and the fact that they're both outboxers. And Wlad at least had a punchers chance.

    The idea that Pea beats him is just based on Pea = ATG, Kha is china chin. But it's not really evaluated in a logical analytical manner. And yea this is an unpopular opinion, almost blasphemy, but it's the same reasons why some people would think it's blasphemy to say Joshua would ktfo Frazier and Fury would outbox Ali.
     
  11. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Khan would have been hit with more jabs than in any of the fights he has been in.
     
  12. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Workrate can be shut down with distance control. Look at Floyd - Pac. Pac's work rate was diminished, although it has already been diminishing the past 5 years prior to that, a lot of that credit still goes to Floyd as he controlled the distance between him and the shorter man.
     
  13. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Chavez was more skilled than Khan and Kineland, who only proved he was a three round fighter.
     
  14. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    You put a lot of effort typing these troll posts.
     
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  15. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeeeaaaahhhh. The problem with your analysis is simple: Pete was always in range. Apart from when he was clowning, turning his back to the opponent, etc. That's why he was so damn effective. He kept himself in a position to score on the opponent almost always. That also meant his opponent was in a position to score on him, if his defensive maneuvering and anticipation wasn't so great. He was not a dancer or a pot-shotter. He was an offensive fighter. He holds records for punches landed in championship bouts. It didn't matter if he was going forward, boxing in center ring, or boxing entirely off the back foot. He was always in range and always on the offensive.
     
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