Clark was a vert good, but smaller fighter who at 164 pounds beat Jeannete in his prime at 193. Sharkey is way better than many who drew or beat Jeannette. All of Corbrett's looses are know, many wins are not was my point. No historian I ever rad said Jeannnete was better than Corbett on this ranking list. A very old Fitzsimmons spared with Jeannette and did well. Corbett was a much better boxer than Fitz.
If we assume that Corbett had more fights, why don't we assume that Jeannette had more as well? Joe had much more fights, it's not up to discussion. I'm not asking for all-time ranking, I'm asking who would have won. Besides, Jeannette cerainly has deeper resume than Corbett. Very old Fitzsimmons did well against anyone in sparring. He beat up Tommy Burns and did well against Jeannette but in real fight he couldn't have beaten Lang. Sparring is not the same as real match. I also don't get this "Corbett was much better boxer than Fitz". Fitz was different fighter and much more successful fighter than Corbett. Fitzsimmons could box against anybody, just because he decided not to do that against Corbett doesn't mean he was much worse.
Jeanette did beat McVey and Langford in their primes. I don’t think Corbett has a better win on his resume than either
Some more nasty lies on this thread from the chief Johnson hater. On Aug 1912 Johnson signed an agreement to fight Jeannette in a 10rounder at the St Nicks Club NY the fight to take place on Sep 25th of that year.Johnson was guaranteed $25,000,and if the receipts totaled $60,000 he was to get $30,000 plus an additional 35% of monies over the $60,000 plus Johnson would get 50% of the film rights. "I whipped that fellow 3 times and can do it every day just for fun. The only time he did make a showing with me I was under wraps a bit." Johnson. The Salt Lake Tribune agreed that Johnson did not try his hardest in that fight. Jess McMahon who was the promoter of the fight said the best White Hopes then were Palzer,Stewart,McCarty & Smith.Johnson offered to fight them all in a Battle Royal saying none of them would touch him. McMahon promoted in NY and attempted to put on a Palzer v Johnson bout but it was vetoed by the NYAC as mixed race bouts were barred and fights were restricted to 10 rounds duration. Johnson put up $5000 forfeit money to fight Jeannette,saying if the fight didn't come off McMahon should forfeit the same amount to him. On August 22nd 1912 the promoters of the up coming fight, the McMahon brothers had a closed doors meeting with the NYAC, O Neill and Dixon,they refused to allow Johnson to box anyone in New York and threatened to revoke the license of any club which held a bout with him involved. Ed McMahon gave the following press statement. "The commissioners don't want Johnson to appear in a match in New York City ." This was printed on Aug22 1912 in the following papers. The New York Age ,New York Daily Times ,New York World. Commissioner O'Neill gave the following press announcement. "The commission decided long ago that Johnson would not be permitted to fight here.We believe now as we did then that the presence of Johnson in a ring contest in this state would be inimical to the best interests of boxing." The Freeman August 31st1912. Bottom line Johnson did not pull out of the fight and he lost a huge payday because of racial discrimination,which can be seen to still be with us today! ps Billy Gibson manager of MSG wanted to make the fight too but only offered Johnson$20,000 for a ten rounder. As to Jeannette's chances against Johnson at that time,onJuly19th1912 Jeannette lost to Battling Jim Johnson over 6 rds, being dropped in the 5th rd. Now, after correcting the deliberate lies yet again, let's focus on the thread! Jeannette was a proven marathon fighter the longer a fight went the stronger he got ,but Corbett had his credentials examined over long bouts too and came up trumps ,very hard to predict a winner over 25 rds, but it would go the distance imo. I think it's a toss up ,picking a winner on the basis of their best wins I go for Jeannette, Corbett's winning resume over class men is very ,very shallow.
Clarke was very very good. His win over Jeannette was marginal at best and avenged. Jeff beat Langford twice so is Corbett a cinch to beat Sam?
Mcvey's post: Some more nasty lies on this thread from the chief Johnson hater. On Aug 1912 Johnson signed an agreement to fight Jeannette in a 10rounder at the St Nicks Club NY the fight to take place on Sep 25th of that year.Johnson was guaranteed $25,000,an dif the receipts totaled $60,000 he was to get $30,000 plus an additional 35% of monies over the $60,000 plus Johnson would get 50% of the film rights. "I whipped that fellow 3 times and can do it every day just for fun. The only time he did make a showing with me I was under wraps a bit." Johnson. The Salt Lake Tribune agreed that Johnson did not try his hardest in that fight. Jess McMahon who was the promoter of the fight said the best White Hopes then were Palzer,Stewart,McCarty & Smith.Johnson offered to fight them all in a Battle Royal saying none of them would touch him. McMahon promoted in NY and attempted to put on a Palzer v Johnson bout but it was vetoed by the NYAC as mixed race bouts were barred and fight were restricted to 10 rounds duration. Johnson put up$5000 forfeit money to fight Jeannette,saying if the fight didnt come off McMahon should forfeit the same amount to him. OnAugust 22nd 1912 the promoters of the up coming fight, the McMahon brothers had a closed doors meeting with the NYAC, O Neill and Dixon,they refused to allow Johnson to box anyone in New York and threatened to revoke the license of any club which held a bout with him involved. Ed McMahon gave the following press statement. "The commissioners don't want Johnson to appear in a match in New York City ." This was printed onAug22 1912 in the following papers. The New York Age ,New York Daily Times ,New York World. Commissioner O'Neill gave the following press announcement. "The commission decided long ago that Johnson would not be permitted to fight here.We believe now as we did then that the presence of Johnson in a ring contest in this state would be inimical to the best interests of boxing." The Freeman August 31st1912. Bottom line Johnson did not pull out of the fight and he lost a huge payday because of racial discrimination,which can be seen to still be with us today! ps Billy Gibson manager of MSG wanted to make the fight too but only offered Johnson$20,000 for a ten rounder. As to Jeannette's chances against Johnson at that time,onJuly19th1912 Jeannette lost to Battling Jim Johnson over 6 rds, being dropped in the 5th rd. Now, after correcting the deliberate lies yet again, let's focus on the thread! Jeannette was a proven marathon fighter the longer a fight went the stronger he got But Corbett had his credentials examined over long bouts and came up trumps too ,very hard to predict a winner over 25 rds, but it would go the distance imo. I think it's a toss up. This content is protected
Yes, but to be honest he had a lot of tries. I'm positive that Corbett would win some fights against McVea too.
Can we please, at least once, stop talking about Jack Johnson in these threads? This is a thread about Jeannette and Corbett, stop it.
I didn't introduce Johnson into the thread, all I did was correct some lies ,and Ill do that whenever I see them. If you aren't happy with that you are at liberty to put me on ignore.I gave my opinion on the match up and I'm not going to be censored by anybody.
What lie did I say in this thread? How dare you. I'm quoting Jeannette himself and found out by researching the Clark vs Jeannette match, as I think it would have some relevance to Corbett vs Jeannette. It is fact that Johnson pulled out of a deal to fight Jeannette and used the " NY State didn't want it" to retreat from it, not planning it in another area of the USA or Europe who would gladly welcome the match As a guy who's been banned 3 times that I am aware of, posting under different names you have been censored already. You came back better behaved this time, I suggest you stay on that course. Color yourself lucky I do not plan to report the nasty PM you sent me at this point in time. One day you might answer the question of the purse you claim to know between the two Johnson's. It's a flat out lie. You do not know the amount. The purse amount is unknown.
I'm far more impressed with Joe's experience and victories over McVea, Ferguson, Langford, Jim and John Lester Johnson. Jeanette was a real, full-time pugilist, not some rank amateur who came out of hiding once a blue moon to deliver indifferent results. Jeanette KO14.
The only good all round technicans that Corbett fought, in the Jeannette mould, would be Choynski, McCoy and Jackson. He did ok with them. Joe has Johnson, Clarke, Carpentier, Ferguson as good defensive boxers on his resume, it's a great match-up and hard to call.
What do you make of the McCoy fight? Do you think it was a fix or on the level? What I've seen is very ambiguous and contradictory.
I’m actually slightly annoyed at myself for not knowing that Jeanette fought Carpentier. You learn something new every day I guess
