Better All-Around Fighter: Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

You count the Schaaf fight?

 

Assuming you are referring to first-round KD, then there's little to indicate Carnera's injury occurred at that point. His movement seemed unaffected, until later in the bout. Baer himself felt that the ankle injury had happened during the 10th round.

Max was widely criticized for his clowning; some of which was quite ridiculous, in that he really wasn't taking Carnera seriously, at all. Had Baer put in a concerted effort, without the playing around, it's easy to see how the stoppage victory could have been achieved much sooner.

 

Bowe lol

 

I say suh I say suh i resent that

 

Yea I'm not suprised

 

Uzcudun fought a lot of punchers, come on. Would you bet on Bowe stopping Chuvalo as well?

A lot of contenders Sharkey fought were big. Just off films we have Scott and Carnera fights. There are more non-filmed fights against big men.

He beat Vitali and Tua, two of the most dangerous fighters of his era.


I don't think further debate is necessary at this point. We view things very differently here and we won't agree. You believe that 1930s were much inferior than 1990s which I do not agree at all.

 

The version that Bowe faced wasn't at his best anymore. I would also favor him over someone like Levinsky or Impellettiere, but not over Stribling or Loughran.

 

i am referring to the first round kd. Looks to me the awkward way Carnera goes down that his ankle bent outward, and then later in the round as he stumbles about he can be seen reach down below his knee towards the ankle although his gloves only go midway down the shin. I think something happened there and maybe the swelling got progressively worse as the bout wore on.

 

I've always thought it a very sloppy performance from Baer.
If he had gotten down to business I doubt it would have gone past the 6th.

 

Who did Stribling beat Tubbs couldn't?

 

Scott was a joke.

 

Uzcudun fought a lot of cruiserweight punchers. Chuvalo was a significantly bigger man than Uzcudun.

They were quite in the minority, with the majority of his opponents being smaller. Oppositely, Sharkey would have been the smaller man practically every time out in the '90s, against opponents with more about them than Carnera, for example.

Like I mentioned, you're basing Sharkey's chances in the '90s on one, pretty charmed career, which didn't even peak in that decade - the Vitali win being one such aspect of said career.

You also seem to neglect the fact that Byrd's mindset was geared towards fighting bigger men as an ever-present occupational hazard, because that's the way the sport and it's competitors had resized by then. Byrd was mentally tuned for these challenges and far more composed in the head department than Sharkey could ever be.

It's not the 30s per se that I think was weak. After all, it spawned the Greatest Heavyweight of All TIme (bar Ali). But, I do think the post-Tunney/pre-Louis period was found to be wanting.

That's not to say that I cannot appreciate boxers like Sharkey, Schaaf, Schmeling, Baer etc and some of the fighters that went up in divisions to meet them there (Loughran, Walker, Stribling) are legends. It's just that head-to-head, in a modern-day, world class heavyweight scene, these guys are quite obviously over-matched.

 

Impelletierre 's record was 7-3-0.

 

Agreed. It was a cabaret performance from Max which, to my mind, puts Carnera's boxing prowess into stark perspective.

 

Who did Tubbs beat thay Stribling couldn't?

I said that I don't rate him, what is wrong with you?