I have a descenting view. Roy was faster and hit harder but that is always his advantage. His liabilities are what keeps him from steamrolling many great fighters. Calzaghe is a great fighter. Not as flashy but I think he his jab, unorthodox but still standard southpaw style, with the emphasis on pivoting...not to mention his bravery and confidence guarantees that Roy will need to be completely focused to win this one because Joe is a competitor.
Joe Calzaghe 46-0 with 32KOs Pep: 229–11–1 with 65KOs Monzon: 87-3-9 with 59 KOs Saddler: 144-16 with 103KOs Armstrong: 152-21-9 with 101KOs Greb: 261-17 with 48KOs I have a hard time seeing Joe going the distance with Monzon..or beating Greb. I think Saddler Pep and Armstrong are all live underdogs against Joe even at a catchweight.
I don't care about numbers, I care about how good they were. Fighting more fights against bad fighters doesn't make you better. Calzaghe was more complete and had less weaknesses than all of them. From a technical boxing perspective he is way above all of them perhaps barring Pep who is nowhere near his physical level. From a stamina and workrate perspective he's better than all of them, including even Armstrong.
roy is the only guy in the history of the division who slaps the **** out of him. roy is just bleeeeugh. too much
Joe was a great fighter, but p4p better than Greb, Armstrong, Pep, Saddler and Monzon? Are you joking or just winding up? No matter. You are now on ignore. Thank God I will never read your stupidity again. Good-bye, whew.
Deadly serious, more skilled (than all but Pep), faster, better combination throwing, better stamina and much more dominant. Put Monzon in with Calzaghe, does he even win a round?
Joe is nowhere near the likes of Greb on a P4P basis. Joe had neither the confidence or the defence to have beaten a prime version of Roy.
I'm very confident Calzaghe would beat Greb H2H and they're about the same weight. He's just better Calzaghe's defense wasn't perfect but his speed, workrate, feints, combinations and footwork is the best combination of all 4 of possibly all time. RJJ is a slight favourite but he'd need to slow Joe's output with potshots and counters or he'd get outworked.
I don’t know about H2H, but Joe is nowhere near him on a P4P basis. Greb has a legitimate claim to be the GOAT. What that man did was phenomenal. Joe wouldn’t be anywhere near the top 50 of all time. Probably not even in the top 100. Roy wouldn’t have been a slight favourite. He’d have been a huge favourite. He was operating on another level to Joe when he was prime. The truth is, Joe just wouldn’t have fought Roy in his prime. And I know that for a fact, as I watched his whole career. But for the sake of the debate where we look at them having fought, Joe would never have had the confidence to have gone at Roy where he’d have unloaded huge volume. It would never have happened. He had confidence issues and fighting Roy in an aggressive manner like that would have led to a shootout. A shootout against a guy who was faster, more powerful and much more accurate and harder to hit. Joe’s comments and actions throughout the years tell you that he’d have been ultra cautious had he have had to have fought him.
I know....but a couldn’t help myself since he said that Calzaghe was greater that these men. But for fun. Pep could dance his way through a few rounds and score...can he stay away. Saddler I think is fast enough and hits hard enough to put Joel on alert and Armstrong could actually beat Calzaghe straight out.
