Was Joshua beating about him being better or ruiz out of shape

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  1. macademics

    macademics Active Member Full Member

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    AJ is a straight power fighter who looks great when he has a slow moving fighter in front of him. Put him in front of a guy who moves decent and his inability to adapt mid fight shows. Great puncher but a basic IQ fighter 100% - he seems very unsure with what he wants to do at times and cannot really create setups like that.
     
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  2. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cant see it. Joshuas not fury. Wilder will land at some point and when he does....joshua will take too long to recover. Wilders defence is actually pretty decent tbh. He basically uses his power to discourage opponents. That and frustrates them by moving back when they come forward.

    Hes took relatively little damage considering the smount of fights hes had apart from fury who rattled his whole game by being bigger and having the longer length and knowing how to use it.
     
  3. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tbf there was a massive difference between what mayweather does and joshua done. Surely you can see that without needing an explanation.
     
  4. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Completely agree. Think thats the problem a lot of the olympians have that stick with their olympian trainers. Its great at amatuer but at pro level its more than hit and dont be hit. The olympic system doesnt really allow them to think for themselves.

    Totally agree that he needs to learn to set up. Would totally change his game. Wilder is better at setting up and for such a basic fighter hes actually done very well. Joshua is a better overall fighter but doesnt have much of a set up that. I reckon wilder would beat him because of it. Wilders set up is pretty decent. Uses his length to his advantage gets his jabs off. And often backs up when the opponent tries to come forward to start throwing. Eventually frustrates the opponent who either comes forward too far into his range eventually to get pinged. Or gets so used to wilder just sneeking up for a jab they then get caught with the occasional right he,ll throw when the opponents been frustrated and not expecting it.

    Its not a traditional set up but the moving away when the smaller opponent comes forward to throw is something that klitchko, wilder and fury all use or used.

    On the other hand you get the feeling joshua just boxes withoug much thought behind it expecting the opponent to crumble cause hes a powerful fella. Hes a pretty competant boxer tbf. Sometimes you need a bit more than that at the top level tho. Joshua should actually be the best of them all. His weaknesses holding him back.
     
  5. RB1702

    RB1702 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilders defence is terrible what are you on about. Low guard constantly and it’s almost always leaky asf. He doesn’t cover up or protected himself from counter hence why Ortiz was very successful in the first fight. AJ would spark him clean out. Wilder and Fury fans creating the narrative that only Fury can beat him need to get their heads checked. Wilder was almost stopped by Ortiz, Fury has him on jelly legs by just a few stiff jabs and right hands. AJ will land those vicious combos and he’ll be on ***** Street and then stopped. He goes into the championship rounds with awful fighters like Spzilka, Arreola, Duapas and Molina and loses rounds to them but people act like AJ is just another Breazeale who’s gonna get sparked. AJ stops him at least 8/10 time’s.
     
  6. macademics

    macademics Active Member Full Member

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    I've always thought that Wilder gets absolutely smashed by AJ. Wilder has not faced a good level of competition and so has never needed to get better. Plus with his balance issues and lack of ability to fight on the inside I always thought AJ would break Wilder inside of 6 rounds easily. Wilders career is all smoke and mirrors against his poor opposition. All AJ would have to do is draw out the right hand and get into the mid range and he would decimate Wilder. Wilder loads up so much on that right hand that AJ will see it coming from a mile off and dodge it. Wilder cannot follow up and really defend effectively once he throws it so AJ gotta use a bit of IQ to play the waiting game and catch Wilder.
     
  7. bbjc

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    Na your dreaming mate. Wilders a nightmare to fight for a smaller man and thats because of his defence...he just doesnt use it in a traditional sense....like covering up or protecting himself. He uses his legs to do it. Wide stance ready for the opponent to come into range to take the right hand. He basically uses his offence as his defence. Surely you can see that. Hes done it pretty much through his whole career.

    The two fights hes had problems with is ortiz and fury. Both good fighters. Fury wrecked him because wilders a basic fighter that couldnt use his one tactic against him because he didnt have the length and reach sdvantage and fury knew how to use it. Left wilder not knowing what to do. And ortiz is the best counter puncher in the division. Hes fantastic at it. Wilders gameplsn was not to throw much because ortiz,s gameplan is to get opponents throwing at him. He,ll make you pay if you do. Wilder done the right thing by being cautious wiyh throwing...made ortiz lead. Ortiz cant lead....and ended up with him knocked ouy twice.
     
  8. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I always thought the same thing tbh mate. But watching both of them i,ve changed my opinion. Wilder is better thsn hes currently being giving credit for. Hes a one trick pony...but its a good trick and its effective. His style is actually a nightmare for joshua. Wilder needs range. If you can break his range you,ll beat him. But to do that you have to get into that range safely first which is the big problem. Fury done it by punching his way in. Using his footwork and better reach etc. Joshuas feet are too slow and static to work his way in. He,ll need to try to step in on him...as many opponents have found out its not a good position to be in against wilder.
     
  9. Spongebob south paw pants

    Spongebob south paw pants Active Member Full Member

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    Ok you got a couple of things right there mate, wilder is a one trick pony and yes that is quite a trick. Wilder does need plenty of range to whind up that big telegraphed right.

    Thing is tho AJ lands much heavier than fury. Has much better movement then Ortiz, who let's face it wilder just about scraped past in there first fight. Add to this think Wilders complete lack of ability on the inside letting him down.

    If wilder did land a few power shot's early on AJ could be in trouble. Can never count someone with Wilders power out. Think Joshua has the skill set to beat him tho.

    Really don't see it as a nightmare miss match for AG but it's only my opinion
     
  10. JDub

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    For sure. Wilder *could* beat Joshua. Buuut, Joshua is the far superior fighter and would probably take him out relatively quickly. Wilder has a punchers chance though obviously and it would be interesting to watch. But let’s be real here, Joshua would likely spark him 8 times if they fought 10 times.
     
  11. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Honestly,,,,when has Ruiz actually been in shape?
     
  12. chico g

    chico g What are you staring at Mr Trump?! hahaha! Full Member

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    Can't see Fury and Wilder losing to the likes of Ruiz, even on a off night. Joshua isn't a bigger puncher than Deontay, and he isn't as defensively skilled as Fury. Jack of all attributes, master in none. He's very close to Parker Ruiz and Grandpa Ortiz level than he is to Wilder and Fury.
     
  13. bbjc

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    Ortiz is a good fighter tho. Best counter puncher in the division. He,d give joshua problems.

    Joshua is probably a superior overall fighter than wilder but wilders the more effective fighter. His power is legit. Not sure where your getting the thing about the big telegraphed right hand thing from. Wilder disguises it pretty well. Well enough to knock out about 40 opponents anyway.

    He just needs to catch joshua once to turn that fight on its head. If joshua ran from ruiz hes gonna need to run for his life against wilder.

    Fury made it look easy but fury has the tools that joshua simply does not have. Even ortiz found it hard to get anything really effective off on wilder because he had to always be aware of that right hand. He outboxed him but couldnt tee off on him properly because of it.

    Joshua being the better boxer will have little bearing on it....because wilder will make him hesitant to try to box him anyway. Fury got away with it because he can box going forward. He closed the gap by working his way in. If you cant do that...you will struggle with wilder.

    Otherwise its a nightmare closing the gap on him. Your in real danger everytime you try to close it. One mistake and your out of their as ortiz a very good fighter found out.
     
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  14. JDub

    JDub Active Member Full Member

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    Ortiz is not that great and Wilder got found out to be a fraud. Jeez. Come on man.
     
  15. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 The Empire Struck Back Full Member

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    Joshua had the boxing ability to back Wilder up. Pretty much every fighter he's fought who could box a bit outboxed him in the early running and with Joshua's power - not earth shattering but he's still on the heavier handed side - that sees Wilder taking a nap early IMO.

    He could pull off a Hail Mary and catch Joshua early too of course but I think the above is the likelier outcome.