Good to see you back on here man! I know what you mean and I did think he was decent enough before the Joshua fight but the way he showed up for the rematch was a disgrace to the sport.
He is one of them fighters whose style ( if it can be called that ) I do not like, also his physique, the overly long, gangling legs, short torso, it all acts as a turn off where I am concerned, no science to this granted, but thats the way I feel bout him, ATG ? not yet.
Fury is much better than I thought. If he beats Joshua, Whyte and Usyk then he’s the best since Lewis and obviously his own era. To be considered a top 5 ATG he’ll need to stick around and beat the likes of Dubois, Hrgovic, Yoka and maybe a couple of former champs in Parker and Ruiz if they can rebuild.
So like body building not boxing? He could certainly go down as an ATG of this generation.n He was brought up well beat some decent fighters on the way up, Chisora, Hammer etc. He's already dethroned the long reigning champion in his back yard. Then took on an undefeated puncher, out boxed him only to be robbed on the cards, he takes the rematch and destroys wilder. If he beats Joshua then his CV is pretty strong. If he could beat someone like Usyk as well depending on how fares at heavy then Fury h2h is a match for anyone.
Thanks very much, mate Yeah, I agree. I was so excited for that rematch so for him to turn up like that was an absolute disgrace. To reach the pinnacle of the sport is something but to want to stay there is the real measure of a champ. I agree with this. I would have him in the top 20 currently but he needs more scalps over the next few years to climb any higher. Defeating Wilder and Klitschko in their own backyard is fantastic but he needs to demonstrate that he can also defend that belt against hungry challengers. I think he likes the idea of being the underdog but it takes real character to stop opponents from taking your belts.
Given his size and abilities for such a big bloke he would have a chance with absolutely anyone... particularly those mentioned who we would more or less dwarf.
I don't care much for the third Wilder fight but these fights would help cement his place as an ATG Joshua Usyk Whyte Ruiz Jnr Dubois/Joyce Hrgovic Yoka Even if he initially loses one but then avenges the defeat he has to keep fighting the highest rank guys now and the ones I have mentioned will be during the next few years. Personally I don't think he will do it, I don't think he has the right mentality and hunger for creating that kind of legacy. He does in his head, he loves the idea and he'll say it in interviews but we've not seen it yet and we've not seen him in a World Title fight as the favourite, expected to win, it's a position that I honestly believes makes him feel anxious.
No ,he's not an all time great and probably never will be. There's simply not enough quality wins he could get to move him into that bracket.
One thing that can't be taken away from Tyson, Wilder 1 - A great display of boxing, forsthe most part schooling an unbeaten World Champion who a lot of people thought was invincible. Wilder 2 - A completely dominant and brutally clinical beatdown of an unbeaten World Champion who a lot of people thought was invincible.
I always try to judge a fighter based on the expectation at the time. Klitshcko win, Fury was about a 4/1 - 5/1 underdog, most people didn't think he had a chance. He was going to be likely stopped (going off being dropped by Cunningham, Pavjek? (Forgot how to spell his name!). Oh and in the champions backyard, against a dominant fighter who hadn't been beaten for years. Came off a massive layoff, lost a ton of weight. He had so much weight to lose people said he'd never fight again (legit). If he did fight again he'd be a shadow of himself. Faced an unbeaten long reigning world champion , who had knocked out every one of his opponents to date bar one. He was still a bit out of shape. Most people thought he was going to get brutally knocked out! Went in the ring as an underdog. Basically won nearly every round bar the knockdowns, robbed of a win. Came back for the rematch a slight favourite, won every round and dismantled an undefeated fighter. You can look back and say bla bla Wilder was terrible, WK had problems etc etc. Above are the facts at the time and that's how I judge his victories / record. Sure he still needs a few more victories to go down as an ATG you can say, even if he loses, avenging a defeat or a close fight. If he beats Wilder again and does the bizzo against Joshua, then he's the best of his era and combined with the above, he would go down as the greatest of his era and an ATG.
At last some real understanding of context before each fight in the Heavyweight Division. Just to add Fury had the balls to take the fights unlike the Body The Builder. Good post mate.
Just to add Tony Hayers counted 3 empty seats in the arena for the rematch and still unable to verify the BT Sports Box Office figures. Frank Warren in the ring singing American Pie had him throwing his Matchroom Magazine at the wall unfortunately knocking down his Eh Day Hearn canvas.
Couple of slight corrections here. Fury was actually the favourite to beat Wilder in their first fight before he fought Pianeta. After that he drifted a little but it was close to being a toss of a coin fight. He was favourite for the rematch. Funnily enough apart from the Klitschko fight Tyson was a narrow outsider for the first Chisora fight, which seems crazy now, but the McDermott loss was fairly fresh in the mind and he was still pretty crude.
Regardless of whether he makes the all time list, I do think this period in Heavyweight Boxing will come to be known as the "Tyson Fury Era".