Fighters who often floored their opponent but let him get away

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  1. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Shavers, Bonaven, James Tillis, and Bert Cooper all stuck out to me.
     
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    Jose Luis Lopez, Victor Ortiz, Klitschko later on his career wasn't much of a finisher.
     
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  3. Berlenbach

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    Oscar Bonavena had Joe Frazier down twice, Patterson down, Mildenberger down a load of times, Peralta down... and couldn't finish any of them.
     
  4. William Walker

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    I should have clarified. I was thinking of guys who lost to a guy they dropped and nearly beat, and that happened several times.
     
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    I think Jose Luis Lopez counts, he dropped Page and Quartey, dropped them twice as well and still lost. Ortiz did the same thing against Maidana and Berto 2, dropped them and still lost and Lucas Matthysse dropped Judah and Alexander but didn't won either decision.
     
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  6. mr. magoo

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    Those are all good examples. I think someone should start a thread on WHY Quick Tillis wasn’t a better fighter
     
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  7. William Walker

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    I wouldn't know. I was just adding it in there.
     
  8. William Walker

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    I actually think that Tillis's main problem was that he didn't confront his problems until later in his career. He started to recreate his style in '82 as a boxer-puncher following the Shavers and Thomas fights, which I thought was a good idea. But he didn't get the stamina issue resolved until before he met Tyson, which was 8 yrs. into his career. A bit late imo to be figuring that stuff out. Logically, by 1986, results or not, Tillis would have been near the end of his prime anyway.
     
  9. William Walker

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    Other than that, Tillis was a good fighter. Very, very mobile, top jab, incredible handspeed, and truly a tough guy. People get stamina and chin confused. Tillis was hurt badly against Weaver, Shavers, Thomas, and Page-late. In the Tyson fight, with his stamina issues licked, Tillis showed himself tough. He survived a 3rd round knockdown to get up and give Tyson one of his toughest fights ever, and arguably beat him. And if you're a Tyson fan, Tillis lost but still withstood a horrible beating but continued firing back often.
     
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  10. mr. magoo

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    That could be. He was a highly thought of prospect with a good amateur career and Angelo Dundee in his corner. Gave Mike Weaver a good run for the WBA title. Just seems that he could’ve been more..
     
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  11. William Walker

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    Yes. He was one of the most experienced fighters of the 80s. That's what the said in the 80s. He usually gave a good account of himself, and probably lost some fights he should have won. He suffered some stoppages that were debatable as well. His only good win was over Shavers, which was not very impressive, other than that he got up from a devastating knockdown. He dropped Page, Truth, and Mike Williams, but was beaten by all three. The losses to Weaver, Coetzee, and Tyson were close, and it was questionable that he didn't win those. The stoppage losses to Thomas and Bruno were bad decisions on the refs' part.
     
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  12. mr. magoo

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    i didn’t think he was robbed against Tyson. I think Mike won that fight was legit. But yeah he was in some close contests
     
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  13. William Walker

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    Just a matter of differing opinions. I will always concede that that was a fairly close fight, but oh well. What close fights were you thinking of Mr. Goo?
     
  14. mr. magoo

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    I thought the Mike weaver fight was somewhat close though Tillis clearly lost. The Carl Williams fight was described as close but I haven’t seen it.
     
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  15. William Walker

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    The Williams fight was not close, in terms of points anyway. Tillis dropped Williams from right hands two times in the 1st. Williams took control of the fight in the second on, outjabbing Tillis. The fight was close in that from then on neither fighter was hurt, and the rounds were close, but Williams won every round after the 1st.
     
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