The fact that Clenelo last fought at 175 and can weigh in at 174.5 while looking absolutely shredded and powerful, and not fat, shows you how badly drained and emaciated he was in the Floyd fight. Clenelo didn't even look much bigger than Floyd that night.
He fought the majority of his career at 154 and even won his first title at a catchweight below the limit. His body has changed, just like how pac has gone from 124 to 147 while still looking powerful
One Time's is greater. Pac-Man: old, worn-torn, not a true welterweight, got knocked out cold before, too many wars already, what more disadvantage could you put on him? He even knocked down Keith while he was very fresh in round one, and it was seemingly unbelievable for him.
So pac being knocked out by jmm ten years ago somehow makes his win against keith Thurman better even tho Keith Thurman hadn't fought in 2 years and lost only by SD. K...
It was 7 years, at the time, and 8 years ago now. Adding an extra three years to prove your point is quite desperate. And yeah, it does actually. That KO, and long with the tough fights with Margarito and Marquez contributed to his decline. Pacquiao being in decline makes his win over Thurman better. He fought a full twelve round fight, which he trained weeks/months for. Then he has another full training camp. The guy was fully prepared, and had clearly shaken his ring rung off. He lost clear as day.
Mannys' win is better. He was well past his prime fighter (still very good though) against the young unbeaten star, yet bullied him, out hustled him and outworked him...hell, even put him down. While Clenelo is clearly a much better fighter than Keith, Floyd was the favourite, still prime and and expected him to win. The only question really was how hard Clenelo could push him (not much it turned out)
The win over Thurman doesn't mean much at all he's so incredibly shot that its sad. Mayweather over Canelo is clearly a better win.
How exactly was Thurman shot? What tipped you off exactly? The crisp combos and brutal right hands he threw all night long? The exceptional timing he showed? Or was it the world class stamina he demonstrated when he took a beating early and was still able to go 12 very hard rounds?
I was going to say Canelo easily but I'm not so sure. Canelo is overrated. His big wins over prime-close to prime opponents are close decisions or robberies. Thurman defeated Porter and Garcia more convincingly. Not to mention canelo was weight drained.
My reason for thinking the Mayweather win is better is fairly simple I honestly have never rated Thurman that highly
You understand what often happens to a fighter once getting cold clocked like that? You can play dumb, but people were calling Pac shot before the KT fight. An ordinary fighter in Pac's condition has no right beating KT like he did. You can be a brainless hater and still admit it was a huge performance/win for MP.
Apparently beating the ATG Austin Trout is some HUGE and amazing win. It was a very good win, gotta give him that. But geez... talk about hyperbole. It's similar to how the Joe C fans use Kessler as if that was an ATG win or something.
