Porter and Garcia arguably beat Thurman and was as close or closer than Trout or Lara not to mention Thurman looking like crap vs Lopez who Canelo KO’d in 4/5 rounds
He didn't look very shot against Lara imo. In fact he didn't look shot until after Canelo beat him. Of course the Lara and Trout fights were close. They were top LMW fighters facing each other, close fights are what you tend to get in situations where the best face each other. Same with Thurman against Garcia and Porter. Close fights at the top of the division. But yeah, Canelo was much better than Thurman.
I believe bogo is saying on fight night, Canelo had only just beaten Trout by controversial decision. Canelo doesn't fight Angulo out Lara until after he loses to Floyd.
But when Floyd faced Canelo, Canelo was good enough to beat everyone else in the division. The top 4 in 2014 according to Ring Mag were Floyd (champ), Alvarez, Lara, Trout. Alvarez was an amazing fighter when Floyd beat him and was better than Thurman, I'm surprised anyone would ever think otherwise. He handled Lopez far easier than Thurman did and was more proven in his division. Plus look at what Canelo has gone on to achieve. There's no doubting that Canelo is better than Thurman throughout every year of Thurmans career so far.
Doesn't really change that, at the time Canelo lost to Floyd, he hadn't yet fought Lara or Angulo, which is again, what bogo is talking about. At the time Canelo fought Floyd, there were plenty who had him losing to Trout and then getting completely dominated by Floyd, I don't see how that translates to amazing fighter who can beat everybody else in the division.
Which doesn't really change that in 2014 the top 4 were Floyd, Canelo, Lara and Trout. Canelo had fought each of the other 3 going 2-1. You don't see how it translates into an amazing fighter who can beat everybody else in the division? How about the fact he actually went on to do just that?
He arguably lost to Trout and Lara, and did lose to Floyd. Canelo fought each of the others and should be 1-2 or 0-3. And what he went on to do doesn't change that on the night he fought Floyd he had not yet fought Angulo or Lara, which, again, was what was being discussed.
So we can agree it doesn't change anything either of us is saying, which kinda makes your posts a bit pointless.
Drainednelo went on to become Clenelo after Floyd, BTW. And don't forget Floyd controlled testing in the Canelo fight.
This is hilarious. I'm not sure whether you saw the same fight as everyone else. Maybe you were high at the time. Maybe you still are. That's some heavy stuff you are smoking. Let's just make a few quick overarching points here to clear through the pungent smoke and smell of that brain killing weed: 1. Mayweather never fought anyone like Canelo? Really? Canelo is undoubtedly a very good and very tough all round fighter. But there is nothing Canelo does that Floyd hasn't seen before. Bottom line, Canelo was hitting air all night and constantly being countered. At times you could see from his face that he was embarrassed to be getting smacked across the face so much. Eventually he was being hit at will with Floyd's right hand. It played out just like most of Floyd's fights to be frank. I gave Canelo 2 rounds, but struggle to give him more than 3. 2. As to it being close early on? No. No it wasn't. Hell, even that atrocious fraud CJ Ross (you know, the judge that scored this one a draw) had Floyd winning 4 of the first 6 rounds. The others had him winning 5 of the first 6. 3. The fact that you say Canelo at times made Floyd look like a novice is probably the stupidest/funniest thing I have heard about boxing from someone who proclaims to watch boxing. To be fair, if this is high level trolling, then you got me and I commend you. 4. I wanted Floyd to lose. I wanted him to get beat by Manny too. But I also have two working eyes.
Canelo arguably lost to Trout and Lara. The vast majority of boxing fans, media, and fighters had Clenelo losing to GGG. I think it's pretty obvious that you're a Floyd nuthugger.
Were you drunk when you watched it and scored it? Well isn't this funny now CJ Ross is the beacon of judging all of a sudden? I have tons of problems with how the rounds were scored. First of all the 2 judges giving Floyd 5 out of the first 6 rounds is absurd. Especially the 4th round which was a clear Canelo round. And if you don't believe me, simply re-watch it. Pay attention to the second half of the round. I'll explain why the judges scored it to Mayweather. It was because of the Mayweather head-lock neck-cranking incident. All they remember was that Canelo retaliated and punched him in the leg when Mayweather had him in the headlock and cranked the neck. The judges were so incompetent they completely ignored Canelo dominating the 2nd half of the round after Mayweather created that whole situation by getting Canelo in a headlock and cranking the neck. All 3 judges, even Ross gave that round to Mayweather what a joke. And don't respond to this without re-watching Round 4, pay attention to what happened and you will see exactly what I'm talking about. I have no problem with giving Mayweather rounds 7 and 8, I thought he deserved to win those rounds in my view. Moretti gave Canelo 3 out of the last 4 rounds. Here's the problem though. Canelo's best round out of the last 4 was Round 10, a round that Moretti inexplicably gave to Mayweather. Craig Metcalfe the other judge correctly gave Round 10 to Canelo. Ross, like Moretti, also scored Round 10 to Mayweather. So as you can see there's all kinds of problems with the scoring. Rounds that Canelo clearly won were given to Mayweather and rounds that Mayweather pretty clearly won like Round 11 were given to Canelo. But the incorrect scoring in rounds 10 and 11 essentially were a wash and even themselves out. However Round 4 remains as a round that Canelo won that all 3 judges scored to Mayweather. So even if Round 10 and 11 cancel each other out, you still have at least 1 round (Round 4) that Canelo should have won which would have made it even closer. Canelo was schooling Floyd on how to fight off the ropes in the 10th (yes, he was schooling him off the ropes then when Floyd tried to go back to the ropes Canelo landed the best sustained attack of the match, the 12-punch combo). But the point is the judging as far as which rounds were given to which fighter were very inaccurate. But not inaccurate in the sense of Canelo was getting too many rounds, as many believe and argue, but inaccurate in the sense that the rounds that Canelo deserved to win like round 4 and 10 he didn't get scored for him and a round that he clearly lost round 11 he got credit for. That's still a net result of at least 1 round that Canelo should have won that Mayweather got scored for him instead. It's funny to you because were probably drunk watching it live and that's the only time you've watched it and you have a fuzzy memory of what happened. Seriously : watch the 4th round. Pay close attention to what happened. Floyd had a bad foul, Canelo retaliated, then after that incident Canelo proceeded to do his best most consistent work of the entire match. Landing clean shot after clean shot on Mayweather, and Mayweather not being able to hit him. But don't take my word for it, watch the 2nd half of the 4th round then come back here and tell me you saw it, and didn't realize it happened. Watching a match drunk then forgetting about it and misremembering what you saw is a big problem here. You need to refresh your memory on what really happened and pay close attention. For you to say I'm high level trolling you is laughable. It seems that I'm the only one who actually watched this match and saw what happened. First of all, seeing what happened has nothing to do with who you wanted to win. If you have two working eyes, then re-watch the match and pay attention to what happened in these key rounds and prove that your eyes are working and don't have vision or memory problems.
