4th Round Canelo 2:39 jab body Canelo 2:27 lands a pawing jab to the head Canelo 2:27 body (landed on May's back which shouldn't count but count it anyways) May 2:06 body jab May 2:06 hook to head May 2:03 stiff jab At 1:15-1:11 both throw body shots hard to tell if it's blocked from either side. Canelo 0:57 another body shot hits Mays back (shouldn't count but same as the other count it in) Canelo 0:51 jab from Canelo looks like he may have caught Mayweather at the end of his jab, Canelo 0:47 lands a decent hook May 0:28 lands a grazing hook May 0:20 lands a right Canelo 0:18 lands a stiff jab May 0:14 body shot May 0:14 body shot (combo) May 0:14 a partially blocked left hook Not a perfect set of punches landed as I only watched it once and some angles were tough to make out whether the punches landed/blocked/avoided. Even if Canelo won that round, how is it a clear round?
It’s close. I think I’ll go paqiouao over a prime Thurman. floyd shout out over Nelo was impressive though.
Mayweather was my initial thought as Thurman looked terrible in his fight before Pac, but then Pac himself is also way past his best. I think I’ll still lean toward Floyd over Canelo. But not with a wide margin
Pacquiao: somewhat convincing and close win over an inactive Thurman who wouldn't let his hands go. One-time had evolved into Run-time and even in this fight his legs did not look that great. Thurman was about 40-55% as good as he looked flattening Soto Karas, Guerrero and going to war with Porter. He wasn't the same guy and may never be. It kind of cancels out the fact Pacquiao was older and shopworn. On paper, Pacquiao was facing an undefeated prime fighter with good power and speed. In reality, that guy was a shell of himself and needed at least 2 more fights to see if he was back to his old self. Not only was Thurman inactive, he lacked that fire and passion from when he was the new face of PBC. It was a remarkable win for any 40 year old boxer to look that good regardless, but the win itself has plenty of asterisks. Canelo is the face of boxing, like it or not. Close fights or not, he has beaten some of the best boxers of his era and fought in more weight classes than Thurman. It is extremely hypocritical to poke holes in Canelo's resume and say that some of his bouts were close and could have gone either way but ignore Thurman's very close bout with Porter for example. Canelo was on the p4p list before AND after Mayweather schooled him. Thurman would be lucky to make top 15 considering how bad he looked in his last fight and how inactive he was. Canelo was much larger and stronger than Floyd and more than a decade younger, yet somehow disingenuous and biased people are acting as though Floyd had the advantage. Whining about the 2 lbs is also silly considering that he was only a pound heavier in his last fight. Cutting 2 lbs is not that big of a deal for a professional boxer with 40 fights under their belt. I've cut weight and that is not going to be a death sentence. On top of that, Pacquiao is just as guilty of asking for catchweights so stop with the double standards. Long story short, Canelo was the better fighter than the shell of Thurman Pacquiao beat, both in terms of h2h ability and experience. Thurman's resume was only slightly better at the time, but that's nullified by the fact be was inactive and not looking the way he used to. Canelo would go on to become a p4p sensation and win belts in multiple divisions over many good to great fighters. Thurman would go on to play his flute and make excuses for not fighting Spence and Crawford. Also, tough iron chinned strong as an ox passionate 23 year old>>>inactive wobbly 30 year old plagued with injuries and not having any passion.
Keith Thurman fought like 6 months before the Pacquiao fight and Canelo lost only by SD as well. Your points are moot.
Keith Thurman won a MD against a no hoper after 2 years off and looked like absolute trash which is why pac wanted the fight Canelo/may was actually a MD due to a ridiculous card by a judge that is known for giving canelo ridiculous scores and her card is almost universally laughed at. Your points are ridiculous
Yeah but how close was that match really, did Lopez really do enough to deserve a draw? He had a good round or two but I think most still thought Keith clearly won the match. The two other judges had it 117-109 Thurman and 115-111 Thurman. That's wider than the two other judges in Mayweather Canelo who had it 117-111 Mayweather and 116-112 Mayweather. So if Canelo Mayweather was only a MD due to a ridiculous card then was the 113-113 in Thurman Lopez also only an MD due to a ridiculous card? And if you answer no Thurman Lopez being a draw wasn't as ridiculous as Canelo Maywather being a draw, then why did the two other judges have it more one-sided for Thurman than the two other judges had Canelo Mayweather who scored it for Mayweather? I don't recall the draw card in Thurman Lopez being universally laughed at like the draw card in Canelo Mayweather was. So you really have to ask yourself was Thurman Lopez more competitive on a round by round basis than Canelo Mayweather was.
This is absolutely laughable. The Thurman lopez scorecards are irrelevant Thurman looked like complete garbage against Lopez who is a nobody. Mayweather dominated canelo for 12 straight rounds and you are questioning which was more impressive? Thurman looking like garbage against Lopez annd Mayweather dominating Canelo are not controversial statements in the slightest
The difference is that the fighter who lost against Floyd was drained and not allowed to be at his best because Mayweather was too scared to fight him without advantages. You and many others continue to ignore this fact, but thank goodness I'm here to keep reminding you about it. This is a very interesting topic but the comparisons are kind of all over the place. It's also pertinent to discuss the circumstances in which each fighter has achieved their victories, particularly as it relates to Canelo and Thurman. Obviously Canelo was much more active when he fought Mayweather than Thurman was when he fought Pacquiao, but at the same time it's a bit much to call Thurman "inactive" persay. He did have a tune-up before he fought Pac, so he wasn't totally inactive. Just less active than Canelo. And Thurman has a much different style than Canelo, both in and out of the ring. Thurman is the kind of a fighter who benefits from time off more than Canelo. He's more of a consistent mover than Canelo, Canelo is more of a chameleon who can move but generally fights more in the pocket. Canelo also has a better chin than Thurman. But Thurman is very effective in his own right, as a guy who is hard to hit at all. Canelo is better P4P though mainly because of how well rounded he is as a fighter and particularly his upper body movement. Thurman doesn't use upper body movmeent to slip punches like Canelo, he just uses his legs to get his whole body out of the way. So it's a totally different style, but as it relates to how active he is, Canelo is a natural born fighter who could fight more regularly, whereas Thurman needs more time off between fights to be at his best due to his style. So saying that Thurman is an inactive guy like it's a bad thing is a little much, his inactivity is what Thurman needs to do to be at his best. Because Thurman doesn't like taking much punishment, and his style is such that he keeps himself out of punching range whereas Canelo has an iron chin and has no problem staying in the pocket and battling it out all night. This is a double edge sword though because his biggest accomplishment since Floyd, and arguably his only true accomplishment is beating GGG. Lara was a non-title fight, and many don't count Canelo beating Fielding, call it a cherry pick and many complain about his win over Kovalev due to the rehydration clause. And very few on this forum even think he deserved to beat GGG. So if you're basing Canelo being "quite clearly superior" to Thurman based on what he has achieved since losing to Mayweather, first of all, that doesn't take into account what the win meant for Mayweather "when it happened" which was before Canelo went on to achieve success after that match. Second, if you don't believe he beat GGG, and don't think his wins over Fielding or Kovalev count as achievements, then what has Canelo actually achieved (in your mind) since fighitng Mayweather. The answer would be nothing since according to some all Canelo's done since fighitng Mayweather is gotten gift decision after gift decision. And if you're basing the fact that Canelo is quite clearly superior to Thurman, which I happen to agree with, but if you don't think he really beat GGG, or don't count his wins at higher weights as legit achievements, then you're basing this on something that you and many others don't even believe truly happened yourself. But many fans, myself included, believe that Crawford is over rated and hasn't really fought any quality opposition. So if Thurman beats Crawford many would claim that Crawford was just overrated to begin with. And Spence, he hasn't been in the ring since his near-death car crash many said he was injured so badly he would never fight again. So with Spence, is he even the same guy he was before the car crash? The point is that your obviously basing what you think is a better win on what happened AFTER the fights in question. And as others have made the point that if we're comparing which is the greater win, then we need to look at each win based on how it was percieved at the time it was fought. I mean, hell, if you want to look at what happened AFTER Maywaether Canelo, look at Mayweather's very next match, where he almost lost to Maidana. Many thought he did. Obviously Mayweather was much more out of shape vs Maidana than he was vs Canelo, which was why it ended up being as close, but if we're talking about what happened after that needs to be considered as well. Especially when compared to Thurman almost losing to Garcia or Porter which happened before. If we're not going to look at what happened after as some have argued, then what Canelo achieved after fighting Mayweather shouldn't matter in this comparison. (I'm not sure I agree with that btw) To bring this back around though, the unavoidable fact is that Canelo was drained when he fought Mayweather. Many continue to ignore this point when making this comparison, but it's by far the most important point in my mind at least. Canelo Mayweather was not a fair fight. A unification match being fought at 152 when one fighter is naturally bigger than the other renders the result meaningless when compared to other titel fights like Pacquiao Thurman. IT's the same reason why Mayweather himself claimed that he still conisdered Cotto an undefeated fighter because he didn't count Cotto's losses to the cheater Margarito or to Pacquiao who drained him. I agreed with THAT Mayweather when he said that, and Mayweather stressed how important it was to fight Cotto at 154 so Cotto could be at his best so he could get full credit for that win. But then he proceeded to do exactly what he criticized Pac for doing to Cotto and he wouldn't fight Canelo unless it was at 152. So given all that, the unavoidable fact is that Canelo wasn't allowed to be at his best when he fought Mayweather, so given that there's no way in hell you can call that win greater than Pac's win over Thurman as Thurman wasn't drained, Thurman was allowed to be at his best and Paquiao beat him as a much older man than Maywaether was when he beat Canelo. Canelo's the better fighter than Thurman, that's true, Canelo's the better win on paper, that's true as well, but it is not the greater win when you consider the kinds of advantages Mayweather had vs Canelo, and the fact that he was much younger than Pac was when he beat Thurman.
You want facts shadow of any man Yo boy got his ass kicked, Floyd schooled him, he looked no better than McGregor against Floyd that night lol....
Haha well McGregor did hurt Mayweather and only was stopped because he was exhausted. But obviously that was a much more out of shape vs of Mayweather that Conor fought than the ripped version that Canelo fought 4 years earlier. And even then Canelo won a lot more rounds vs a much better version of Mayweather than Conor did vs an out of shape retired version of Mayweather.
Hahaha that's funny because all 3 judges disagree with you that Mayweather dominated Canelo for 12 straight rounds. But that's beating a dead horse at this point. To your point though, sure, we all expected Thurman to cruise though Lopez, but outside of a couple of rounds he was cruising through Lopez. What's laughable is your claiming that the judges scorecards are irrelevent in BOTH Canelo Mayweather and in Thurman Lopez because they don't fit YOUR narrative about what happened. Judges cards are always relevent. It's just that in both of these cases you believe something happened different than what the judges saw happening. And I disagree that Thurman looked like garbage vs Lopez. He looked fine to me, until that one round where Lopez hurt him and surprised us all. Before that and in most of the rounds he looked like normal. Your view that Thurman looked like garbage is very controversial and your view that Mayweather dominated Canelo is only not controversial because the people who are agreeing with you are either Mayweather fanboys or Canelo haters. The fact is that the judges scores do not jive with what you're saying happened. Not that judges scores are the be all end all, but for you to completely ignore them to the point where you won't even address them says a lot about your level of delusion.
Wow catch that parrot from over his head... I was being sarcastic you plank, McGregor should not have been in the same ring as mayweather unless he was sweeping it after a fight, he's a bum. So your "Amazing" insight that canelo did better against Mayweather , well you'd kinda expect that...Doh
McGregor had a fair amount of success vs Mayweather to be fair. He wobbled Mayweather in that one round. But hey you made the comparison, not me. Sarcastic or not, you claimed that Canelo looked no better than McGregor did when they fought Mayweather. It's hard to compare how good they each looked vs two totally different versions of the same fighter. But no, Canelo even with the catchweight, still looked a hell of a lot better than McGregor did vs a much better version of Mayweather.
