no I’ll do it now Tua: Ruiz (sensational KO of a man that ended up having solid career) Rahman (Dirty finish but another brutal KO of a man that was a champ) Oquendo( Good Boxer that got robbed time and again because his style was boring- Tua leaves no doubt) Moorer (Past prime but wow Tua puts another former champ to sleep) Maskaev Solid contender that was mismanaged Tua again Leaves no doubt. Pastor: Jimmy Bivins Lem Franklin Turkey Thompson Lesnevich Roscoe Toles Offically he has a draw with Mauriello but most felt Pastor deserved the win, - speculation was no one wanted to see a 3rd fight with Louis. Both fighters with excellent top contender careers. Tua was one dimensional but a Tank. Pastor had balance issues and was frequently knocked down in bouts, but was a master boxer on his feet- also felt robbed in his second bout with Bivins. I put Toles in the 5th slot another good fighter largely forgotten - that also lost to Louis in a bout that used to be listed as an official bout - but was an exhibition because of a contractual clause to fight Carnera
Tua; Rachman Ruiz Oquendo Maskaev Moorer Better than I remembered it! Pastor; Bivins Thompson Franklin Lesnevich Toles Couple of decent draws in there with Nova and Rosenbloom, Ramage a good win, and barr Louis2 and Conn most of his losses were close.
Great minds think alike? Or at least let's look at it that way. Seriously, it might show that both of them have less depth of good names than some others, such as Harold Johnson, or Moore and Bivins, have. *Just a preliminary evaluation, and totally a personal opinion, but Langford, Bivins, and Harold Johnson have the best top fives so far and are likely to make a final top ten. Moore is a bit short. Wills, Jeannette, and McVea are so circular I might question filling out the list with them, although they remain contenders. I am only considering those listed in the OP's first post.
Yes Bivins Langford Harold Harold Johnson have the best...and Moore. Moore beat Bivins 4 times and HJ 3 I think. The Nino and Baker wins are great as well. But yes will be interesting to see who the top ten contenders voted will be at the end.
contender of the day Bob Armstrong 1----Denver Ed Martin 2----Frank Slavin 3----Joe Butler 4----Pete Everett 5----Jim Jeffords Plus a draw with Joe Choynski. A tall, physically imposing fighter (take a look at his photo at boxrec) who clearly had a dangerous punch as he KO'd Martin and Slavin twice each. His record is a little murky, as box rec doesn't count bare knuckle fights and Armstrong had some as well as battle royals. There are unconfirmed reports that he beat Joe Goddard in 1899 which would spruce up his resume quite a bit, although Goddard would have been quite old at the time. A dangerous trial horse and gatekeeper type of the 1890's to early 1900's.
I can't believe that at 6'4 he weighed only around 190 lbs, at least it's tough to believe based on photos we have.
That’s a good top five. Gonna get to Satterfields top five eventually and his looks much better then most champs...a stepping stone no less!! Some guys were odd I guess able to beat champion level fighters while losing to lesser men.
Eddie Machen 1 Jerry Quarry 2 Nino Valdez 3 Bob Baker 4 Brian London 5 Doug Jones Zora Folley 1 Eddie Machen 2 Oscar Bonavena 3 Nino Valdez 4 George Chuvalo 5 Henry Cooper Zora with a very awesome top five. Have a feeling he will make the top ten.
I did not understand what criteria should be used to evaluate boxers, but my favorite, as always, is Bob Barker
