Was Emmanuel Stewart a weasel?

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  1. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

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    He trained McCall, a career journeyman who was primarily known as a mere sparring partner of Tyson (albeit an incredibly durable one) to exploit a crucial flaw in Lennox's game plan and helped secure a win in a huge upset. Then he somehow gets hired by Lennox to do the exact same thing to McCall!

    The fact McCall ended up in a poor mental state and struggled with his mental health, career, and never had any more success ay the elite level (other than beating an old Holmes and stopping Akinwande) is a bit of an eye brow raiser. Especially because of the strange circumstances surrounding the farce of a rematch where it seemed Don King pressured him into the fight despite the fact less than a year prior McCall was frequently being detained in mental hospitals and rehab for drugs and manic outbreaks.

    Dino Duva: "Don King should have never made him available to fight. He was in no condition to mentally or physically fight. We tried six weeks ago to get Don to replace him."

    Why did Stewart fall out with McCall and seemingly abandon a former student of his? Did McCall do something disrespectful to Stewart to deserve it? And why did Lennox trust a guy like that? I know, money talks, but it's such a bizarre story and if that's all it boils down to I wouldn't trust or respect a trainer like that beyond our professional arrangement.

    Then in a truly bizarre turn of events, Lennox beats Vitali by TKO in an unexpectedly exciting slug fest. Lennox retires and Stewart ends up becoming the trainer of the loser of a high profile bout for the second time in his career! Has that ever happened in the history of boxing?

    I don't known the man personally but he sounds like quite the opportunist and a hustler. I mean, how did those convos with Vitali and Lennox even go down before they hired him? "So my guy whooped your ass, but I see a lot of potential in you. I can help you make sure that doesn't happen again".

    Does anyone have any info that makes this a little less confusing beyond just the simplest explanation of "money" and that he's a great trainer? I remember watching the Klitschko documentary and the brothers were very wary around Don King and got bad vibes so they choose not to sign with him, but they seemingly embraced Stewart without hesitation for years.
     
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    That is an absolutely bizarre post and i'm struggling to find a reason not to lock this thread.

    I'll see how it goes I guess.
     
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    GIYF.

    Oliver dropped Steward after he beat Lewis. George Benton is in his corner for the Larry Holmes defense in his next fight.

    Oliver blames Don King for influencing him to make that decision:

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    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No reason to lock it that I can see. If he made the same thread and blamed Don King instead of Manny it would be fine.

    I posted a response with a video.
     
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    Steward trained Vitali? I've always thought Steward's rep was solid ,never known anyone say anything negative about him
     
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    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    What does GIFY mean? This video effectively puts to bed the idea that Steward was an opportunist.
    Let's be honest Oliver would have no chance in a battle of wits with DK!
     
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  7. Pat M

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    I don't think Steward had much to do with McCall beating Lewis. McCall's problem was that he was undisciplined. Physically he was gifted. I knew the people who were managing McCall at the time of the Lewis fight and they told me that if they could keep McCall focused and if he trained he would easily beat Lewis. They couldn't have been more confident. McCall stayed away from the streets for a few weeks, he trained and beat Lewis. They even had some of their "team" stationed outside of McCall's hotel room in London to make sure he didn't slip out at night.

    McCall's management team told people that if they could get one week of training from McCall, he could beat anybody in the world, if they could get two nobody would be competitive. I doubt that Steward found any weakness in Lewis that others hadn't noticed, McCall had a lot of experience, slipping Lewis right to the outside and hitting him with his right was probably just what McCall knew. Trainers get too much credit when a fighter wins and too much criticism when they lose.
     
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    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Steward never trained Vitali
     
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  9. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Google

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    :nonono

    It’s a suggestion that before creating a thread he could have simply googled Oliver McCall + Emmanuel Steward and gotten answers.
     
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    This IS a bullshlt thread as far as I'm concerned...Emmanuel Steward is one of the more positive figures in boxing over the years IMHO....every bit as honorable as Eddie Futch was...again, in my opinion.
     
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  11. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

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    He wasn't Vitali's primary trainer but he did train both brothers. This is quite evident if you watch Klitschko documentary when he describes the differences in both brothers and their strengths and weaknesses "stone brother who takes a while to learn things but is durable vs clay brother who learns things quickly but is more fragile".
     
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    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

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    Well this is only partly true. Yes McCall had some talent and the tools to beat great fighters, but watch this video. It's obvious Steward played a significant role in finding holes in Lennox's defenses.

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    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sometimes a trainer can develop a close personal bond with a fighter ...sometimes they do not . He’s not gonna have the same bond with Oliver Mccall or Mike Mccallum that he did with Tommy Hearns ...just like a lawyer is not gonna like all of his clients
     
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  14. Glass City Cobra

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    That answers one question.

    Still doesn't explain why Lennox just embraced the trainer who helped ice him, or Vitali for that matter.
     
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  15. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oliver McCall has mental health issues that plague him to this day, when he is off his meds. When he was doing illegal drugs, he was probably very difficult to be around. By all accounts, when he is clean and taking only his prescribed meds, he is a great guy.
    Emmanuel Stewart was involved in boxing for a very long time at a very high level, he played a role in fights worth many, many millions of dollars. It would be well beyond miraculous if you couldn't find someone somewhere that thinks he was a no good mofo. Maybe they would be correct, maybe it would be a difference in perspective or accounting.
     
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