Alexander Povetkin vs. George Foreman

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by UnleashtheFURY, Aug 24, 2020.



Who takes it?

  1. Foreman KO/TKO

    75.0%
  2. Foreman Decision

    8.3%
  3. Povetkin KO/TKO

    4.2%
  4. Povetkin Decision

    12.5%
  1. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Smith was in his prime when he fought Bruno and totally shot when he fought Moorer without any wins of note in years. It's not especially relevant given the state he was in vs Moorer.

    Foreman wouldn't score a knockout in any fight post-Moorer including the likes of Lou Savarese and Crawford Grimsley. I don't know if this version of Foreman qualifies as a puncher but he stopped Moorer regardless. Most of Foreman's reputation for being a big puncher come from his exploits from 1970-1977. Tua is indeed a puncher and he stopped Moorer in one round.

    Who knows why he didn't fight all the men in question. Fact is he could have fought them but didn't. And to me it defeats the purpose of the sport if the best are not willing to fight each other. Why even have a heavyweight division in that case?

    Imagine what the NBA would be like if the best teams refused to play each other ever. Pretty pointless. Imagine LeBron James refusing to play against Kahwi Leonard, Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry and peope trying to defend him for doing so. In Moorer's case though he probably never becomes champion if he has to actually earn his title shot. The overall point is I wouldn't put that much stock in Foreman's win over Moorer given Moorer's relative lack of durability.

    Povetkin in his prime certainly seems far more durable than Moorer and a better puncher.
     
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  2. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

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    Smith stopped 3 of his last 6 opppnents before fighting Moorer. He won 4/6 against his last 6 opppnents. He would then win his next 6 fights, 3 if them by knockout. He was old but not "completely shot", otherwise he wouldn't be winning consistently at all; let alone going on a win streak. He wouldnt be producing stoppage wins if his power was gone.

    The point is Smith could punch and the fact Moore's fought him, Cooper, Jirov, Foreman, and Tua indicates he was not avoiding punchers. You were wrong. Stop trying to shift the goal post and just accept it.

    For the 5th time now, unless you have evidence that Moore ducked those men your accusations mean nothing. I could easily make a biased post suggesting that they ducked Moore and not the other way around. Lennox blatantly ducked Chris Byrd and somehow never fought a south paw his whole career. I guess this means he was scared of Moorer?

    As for Foreman not scoring KO's after the Moore's fight, the thread is about the 41 year old version of Foreman, not the one in his late 40's. Try to actually read the thread before posting next time.
     
  3. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  4. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lennox Lewis body of work at heavyweight blows Moorer's out of the water. Moorer blatantly ducked basically every threat aside from Holyfield who he had to fight to win a major belt. Lewis fought Ruddock, Bruno, McCall, Tucker, etc all missing from Moorer's resume.

    Part of the problem with Moorer not fighting all these guys is we don't really now how good of a heavyweight he is because he is almost totally unproven at the weight. He has the one win over Holyfield and a bunch of journeymen.

    And no, Smith stopping guys far outside the rankings doesn't suggest he is still a threat power wise against world class opponents. Peter McNeely knocked out a bunch of guys but certainly is not proven as a puncher at world level.

    Likewise, Ron Lyle made a comeback at age 54 and was able to kayo several guys. This hardly indicates he was a dangerous puncher against world-class opposition.

    Anyway, Foreman might be able to beat the 2020 Povetkin but a prime Povetkin should beat any version of comeback Foreman
     
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  5. RightLeftCombo

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    IMO
    Prime Foreman beats prime Povetkin.

    40+ Foreman from maybe up to 1992 beats the 40+Povetkin we've seen.

    The 40+Povetkin today might beat older Foreman from maybe 92/93 on.

    Prime Povetkin likely beats any version of older George.
     
  6. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

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    We know for a fact Lennox dropped belts and ducked Byrd and Ruiz. We have evidence.

    What we don't have is evidence that Moorer ducked punchers. It's been over a week and I keep asking you for proof and you have yet to provide any. In fact I have proven the opposite that Moore clearly wasnt avoiding punchers but by all means, post an article or interviewing proving he was ducking punchers. Until then you are talking out of your ass. Stop replying to me unless you have some evidence to post or I'll just have to block you.
     
  7. Cojimar 1946

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    Moorer didn't fight virtually every top fighter of his era aside from Holyfield so who knows, maybe he was simply averse to facing top 10 guys rather than punchers in particular. But aside from Tua he for whatever reason did not face the most dangerous punchers available. I don't particularly care to argue why the fights didn't happen, fact is they didn't. And the puncher he did face (Tua), iced him in one round. If you are averse to me saying he ducked them fine, he largely didn't fight them for who knows what reasons.

    Compared to Moorer, I would say Povetkin's chin is more proven.

    The Lennox Lewis analogy is silly because Lewis fought far, far more top guys than Moorer did. Your criticizing him for not fighting everybody but he did far and away a better job than Moorer of facing the best at heavyweight. By 1997 when Moorer's career as a top heavyweight ended, Lewis had already fought McCall, Mercer, Tucker, Ruddock, Bruno, etc.
     
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  8. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Povetkin decision.

    To date, Povetkin has only lost to guys who were better than Old Foreman.
     
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  9. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Povetkin loses when VADA stops contest.