Tony Bellew wants to change cruiserweight limit to 190 and make a new ‘super cruiser’ class at 220.

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  1. ertwin

    ertwin Active Member Full Member

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    Oxford definition of the word to concede:
    1.admit or agree that something is true after first denying or resisting


    I sincerely hope for you that english is not your first language, cause otherwise this gets even more pathetic then it already is.

    Excellent, right?
     
  2. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here is Marvis Frazier, who was a career heavyweight unlike Bellew talking about if boxing needs a superheavyweight division and if Marvis himself should’ve fought at cruiserweight.

    NU: The reason that there are weight classes in sports like boxing and high school/ college wrestling is because size matters. It takes an exceptional athlete to compete against the very best athletes who have a distinct size advantage. Do you think that in professional boxing, it would make sense to have a super heavyweight division?

    Marvis: There is the cruiserweight division for guys under 200 pounds. But if you are 201 pounds, you have to compete against guys who might weigh 250 pounds. There were guys that big in the past – there’s just more of them today. But they don’t have the speed and mobility that a 210 pound fighter has. You have to take advantage of that.

    FNU: If you, today, were able to advise the young prospect Marvis Frazier of the 1980s, would you suggest that he consider competing in the cruiserweight division?

    Marvis: No! Oh, no! Stay heavyweight! Because every last guy I beat was a heavyweight. From my days as an amateur at 56 and 2, and as a professional at 19 and 2, I was beating heavyweights. I don’t think that’s any reason to fight at cruiserweight.
    http://unlimitedfightnews.com/wordpress/marvis-frazier-interview/

    As for the Fury-Wilder 2 it had more to do with a Wilder not using the right tactics than Fury being too big. Wilder letting Fury headlock him, allowing Fury to lean down on his back, and allowing Fury to keep his forehead in his jaw gassed him out him. Fury did the same thing to Cunningham as well. You can’t be the smaller guy and allow the bigger man to maul you without putting up any resistance.

    Zack Page, who gave up way more size to Fury than Wilder did didn’t allow Fury to roughhouse him like Wilder did. The rematch showed how little Wilder practices on fighting on the inside, since Wilder was clueless about what to do. Fury came prepared and Wilder didn’t.

    Loughran going into his fight with Carnera hired Jack Pettifer as a sparring partner to rough him up in the corner and clinch him, since he knew going into the fight that he was giving up a lot of weight and that Carnera would use those tactics.
     
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  3. Boxing Prospect

    Boxing Prospect Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tony Bellew can go **** himself, and take the WBC with him
     
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  4. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Usyk hit Bellew too hard it appears. The lads brain is still a bit scrambled. Lol
     
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  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    So at first you said size is the most important aspect of boxing.

    You now admit skill can trump size.

    Excellent.
     
  6. ertwin

    ertwin Active Member Full Member

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    dude I said myself that skill can trump size, cant you read? And size is still the most important factor in boxing.
     
  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    So now you're back to saying size is the most important factor in boxing.

    Then why is the biggest man not the champion in every single weight class?
     
  8. ertwin

    ertwin Active Member Full Member

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    i never said anything else, size is the most important factor in boxing thats why we have weight classes and not age or height classes.
    Only because weight is the most important factor in boxing, doesnt mean that every weight class has to be dominated by the biggest fighter.
    Its like me saying americans are taller then mexicans, then you come around and tell say but my friend is mexican and he is taller then my american friend that is the logic you are using.
    in heavyweight and cruiser weight the best fighter is usually the biggest,usyk, holyfield, haye cruiser and klits and so on hw.
    In lower classes often times fighters can overcome this advantage but on average the best fighter in a weight class is usually rather on the bigger side, look at ggg Beterbiev, stevenson, froch, canelo they usually have a very big advantage over their opponents based on their sheer physique. Ggg would have had such a big problem if he had moved up to smw because he couldnt be the bully anymore that easy.
     
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  9. madballster

    madballster VIP Member Full Member

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    Wait Bellew is in charge of something at the WBC? How did that happen, jesus are they crazy.
     
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  10. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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  11. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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  12. TheRevAshton

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    Honestly... I highly doubt that Wilder would be willing to share a ring with Usyk, at any weight!
     
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  13. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Would be the stupidest thing ever
     
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  14. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Size is not the most important factor in boxing.

    It's just a factor.

    In glad you agree.

    Excellent.
     
  15. ertwin

    ertwin Active Member Full Member

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    I am glad you agree that size is the most important factor in boxing.

    Excellent.