Could Lyle Have Taken Title From Patterson?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Fergy, Sep 8, 2020.



Who wins?

  1. Floyd Patterson?

    50.0%
  2. Ron Lyle?

    50.0%
  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I think Patterson could stop a weary Lyle. I rate Patterson as a harder puncher than Ali. You didn't have to be a Foreman in terms of power, to stop Lyle.
     
  2. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Foreman vs Lyle (overrated) I will leave alone for this thread.

    I guess I don’t find Lyle all that powerful skilled or good. So to keep it short, I don’t think Lyle has the skill to land solid enough. I wouldn’t rule out a KD, but no one really kept Floyd down either, and Lyle is doubtfully IMO going to become the first to do it.
     
  3. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jerry Quarry beat Ron Lyle by unanimous decision on Feb 9 1973. I think that Floyd Patterson would do the same to Ron Lyle, especially if Floyd was champion. Floyd defended his title against Tommy Hurricane Jackson in 1957, and Pete Rademacher, same year. Roy Cut N Shoot Harris in 1958, then Brian London in 1959, prior to his ill fated match against Ingemar Johannson. Floyd being the quicker boxer would have fought Lyle very cautiously under the guidance of Cus D Amato. Floyd would have utilized his Peek A Boo style to avoid the right hands of the hard hitting Ron Lyle. It goes the distance, Floyd Patterson by unanimous decision.
     
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  4. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lyle is no Liston. Lyle lacks both Liston’s was ring awareness and isn’t an accurate puncher like Liston was in his prime. Lyle has a chance and might even floor Patterson, but I see Patterson outpointing Lyle.
     
  5. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, I can't agree with you, but I can see that based on Lyle' accomplishments, I can see how you would doubt that Lyle could beat Patterson.
     
  6. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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  7. AJ Pope

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    Lyle could have certainly caught Patterson but it would take a sustained onslaught to finish him. I think Patterson's superior skill and speed would be too much for Lyle to cope with.
     
  8. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'd say Ingo's in the same ball park and may even hit harder than Lyle with his "Bingo".
     
  9. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Never would've suspected Lyle was overrated before reading this thread and seeing the poll results.
     
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  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    There is no evidence Lyle was better than “the Swedish guy”
     
  11. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    But we can hardly say the Swedish guy was anything special. Came along and caught Floyd and yes, grabbed the title. But one of the poorer champs imo.
     
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  12. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lyle had good wins and close losses to contenders. I think Cooney fits more into your category 8
     
  13. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    It depends how you look at it. Like Lewis Ingo retired having beaten every man he ever fought.

    he flattened the best two heavyweights in the world when they were both highest regarded when neither had ever been knocked out before.

    it was an unusually short career for a champion...too short to go down as anything all time great worthy...but good enough to stand up as well as anyone up to that point of their career.
     
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  14. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I can't look at him being really anything but an extremely luck European heavyweight tbh.
    Obviously he hit the jackpot against Floyd but that was it, if he'd gotten a second win over him then maybe different.
    Yes he left with just two defeats but he didn't have that long a carer so there is that to.
    Poor Floyd was the guy who copped it but I don't see Ingo having the same success against the majority of young champs.
     
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  15. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I couldn’t agree more, but Lyle was a contender in the 70s so it goes without saying that he’d get slightly overrated because he was from the golden era.

    Prime Patterson bests him. Patterson from the 60s is a good competitive fight, with solid cases for either man.