Was Wlad loss to Joshua and Fury about his age or him having a bad game plan

No doubt, but we are talking about chins here and AJ is chinny.

 

Lets get real fury did not exactly duck the rematch for fear of klitchko. The guy was mentally unwell at the time.

It wouldnt have mattered...if wlad was shot....surely fury would have beat him anyway?

I tend to take the evidence on show...that is furys got a history of stopping guys being effective. Hes now completely nullified... Chisora. Klitchko. Wilder. Hammer. Etc etc.

Other evidence on show is...the first time wlad came up against a big guy that could actually use his height/reach advantage succesfully...he was nullified. What other evidence is his reflexes seemed a lot better in the joshua fight. Thats not how it works.

The problem wlad had was joshua was the first guy in years that actually had something to hurt wlad with and fury was the first guy in years that could actually use his reach/height advantage.

 

Nope, too many anecdotes of him being knocked out in Sparring by rank amateurs. The fact he has fought conservatively since his KD's against Wlad and Ruiz also is very telling. He has to protect that chin. Its clearly dodgy and suspect

 

I'll get right to it.

His AGE. Period.

 

Fury always causes him problems Aj was more age

 

Sorry Fury fans but Klitschko looked awful against Jennings in his previous fight and couldn’t let his hands go there either. Quite simply after 140 amateur fights and 67 professional fights, Wladimir was well jaded, rapidly declining and complacent. Again, not surprising after 23 world title fights. He turned back the clock slightly and had a last hurrah against Joshua but didn’t have the legs or gas tank. IMO prime for prime he beats Fury on PTS and has a big KO over Joshua.

 

Don't think so. A prime Wlad definately beats AJ but Fury will always be a tough confusing fight

 

I get it now, Wlad was prime at 40. Thank you, professor.
Why don't you write an article how prime Tyson was nullified by your homie McBride.

 

I agree it’s a tough fight but I still think a prime Klitschko with Steward in his corner has the legs and the sharpness to get a close decision over Fury.

 

No ones saying he was prime what i,m saying tho is age wasnt the deciding factor on him losing to fury.

Its put down as him being shot...not able to pull the trigger anymore and yet a year and a half later....he has no problem pulling the trigger against joshua. One judge had him beating jennings 118 to 109. Hardly sounds like he couldnt pull the trigger either.

When you add to that furys now nullified hammer, chisora, wilder, klitchko etc. It becomes a pattern. How many times do people need to see it before the penny drops. The reason klitchko couldnt pull the trigger against fury was because....fury had the tools needed. Klitchko,s reign was against mediocre guys or good guys that we,re too small. No disrespect to klitchko...because he was a great champion with a great reign due to his longetivity...but the challengers we,rent great. The good guys he fought....we,re too small. No chance against klitchko. What wins in klitchko,s reign...makes you think he,d have beaten fury. Someone put up the big tall guys he fought...none of them we,re in furys league.

Klitchko controlled people with the jab the majority of the time. He just came up against a guy....that beat him to the jab after that he didnt know what to do.

 

Klitschko looked old and shot vs Joshua.
He couldn't KO AJ even when he was out on his feet.
Wlad was visibly declined even vs Pulev, years before Fury.
Of course age is a deciding factor when you are 40.

 

As many others have said, I think a prime Wlad beats Joshua but Fury would have been a tough fight regardless.

If I'm not mistaken, the only fighter Wlad fought other than Fury who had the advantage in both height and reach was Mariusz Wach (feel free to correct me on this if I'm forgetting somebody else), who really wasn't too great. Fury has shown that he has pretty solid boxing skills, and I think combining that with his height and reach advantages would have been tough for Wlad at any point in his career.

I think a hypothetical fantasy fight between prime Wlad and Fury could go either way.

 

In his prime he kos Joshua.
And outhits Fury.

 

He leathered pulev. Which was the year before fury. Think he knocked him out earlyish. Its not that he couldnt finish joshua because he was old and shot....a big part of it was because he had to be wary of joshuas power. Unlike against pulev...and most of the big guys he fought...they never had nothing for him to really worry about.

People go on about the jennings fight as proof klitchko couldnt pull the trigger....when the truth is jennings was actually pretty good at putting his punches together...he was good at upsetting klitchko,s rythme more so than a lot of them. People forget jennings outpunched ortiz in their fight by a considerable margin. Jennings was good at putting his punches together.

I m not saying age didnt play a part but without fury and joshua....klitchko would have continued to dominate. People wouldnt be talking about being too old to pull the trigger. Its just that guys eventually turned up that we,re big enough and good enough to beat him. For years he had very little challenge from guys with that combination. Any real good guys he fought we,re on the smaller side. Klitchko,s jab and judgement of distance was too good to lose to that.

But i suspect guys with the tools could have derailed him at any point. Its judt that he was considerably better than anyone around at the time.

Got to wonder why he couldnt jab fury but he could jab joshua...surely you,ve got to say maybe fury just had the answers.

Most klitchko fight went the same way....he,d establish his jab....move back when guys came forward to attack him. Most of the guys much smaller. Couldnt get anything gokng cause he upset their attacking by offsetting them with his feet. Frustrated them with it. Continue to dominate with the jab....then when he,d softened them up...which almost always happened cause his strength/jab was unbelievable. he,d usually start sticking in left hooks etc.

The secret was always taking his jab away. Ask yourself who could do that....a 6 foot 7....250 lb man...who could move every which way. Fight on the move.

I dont think age is the deciding factor.

 

No, Fury didn't duck the rematch....he went off the tracks. His cheese came close to slipping right off his cracker.

I was surprised at Wlad's performance in the fight and I'm of the opinion that Wlad would have taken the rematch.
But it's far from certain.

Wlad had the AJ fight in the bag. He just didn't realize how hurt AJ was.
I'm guessing he was kicking himself a few years later when he watched Andy do the finishing job that he, Wlad, should have done.