Cleveland Big Cat Williams 1960 vs Carl The Truth Williams 1985.

Williams was 20 years old when he was stopped by Jones, and he ko'd him 9 months later.
Twenty years old and a seven day sub when Satterfield stopped him.
Thirty six when Foster stopped him, and still carrying a bullet in him.

 

Big Cat stops The Truth in the middle rounds after the former builds up a points lead early on.

 

I think 16-1 Bert Cooper and 13-0 Jesse Ferguson (who beat Douglas) would both stop Cleveland Williams.

Now it is your turn. Which of Cleveland’s stoppage Victims beat Carl?

Candy mcdaniels? Graveyard Walters? Todd Herring? The young Ernie Terrell who couldn’t beat Wayne Bethea? 180 pound Curly Lee?

 

They didn't call him Graveyard Walters for nothing.

 

That’s right. Same with Baby Booze. That hobo rode the rods and really could drink!

Candy “ass” McDaniels however, was rather avoided...

 

That's how I'm leaning. Carl needs a better chin and/or better defense to win this one.

 

Weaver was one of the hardest punchers of the 80s. I don't know if he hit harder than Williams but I think he's up there. H2H, I don't think much separates them. Weaver has more quality wins but there's no win on his resume I wouldn't give Williams a chance against and there's no win on Williams resume I wouldn't give Weaver a chance against. Williams did seem to be quicker than Weaver.

I think Weaver suffers the same fate against Liston and I think Williams suffers the same fate against Pinklon Thomas.

 

BOBBY CRABTREE??? You know you have no argument when you're using BOBBY CRABTREE to support your point. I don't even know where to start with this. First off, Crabtree was a cruiser-weight. 46 of his 56 wins were against men with losing records, including some making their debut. He also drew with and lost to men with losing records. Is beating him supposed to be some sort of feat?

Ruddock was green (he'd had TEN fights beforehand) sick and was told not to go through with the fight by his doctor. He then had an asthma attack and could not come out for the 7th round so no Jaco didn't knock him out. Ruddock also was far ahead on the cards, at the time of the stoppage.

Ferguson had one win of note, a MD against an overweight Douglas.

The majority of Williams' fights (including knockouts of Terrell, Holman, among others) were not filmed. Even so he had a win on film against Tod Herring who according to you "was not a bad fighter" correct?

I don't even know what this is supposed to mean. Williams failed to last a total of three rounds against Tyson and Weaver, I have no idea why you would bring this up on behalf of Carl.

Nobody is promoting Cleveland into "Tyson territory" just because they pick him to beat one of Tyson's victims. Williams knocked out Terrell when Ali was unable to do so, does this put him above "Ali territory"? Terrible argument and manufactured straw man even by your standards.

The word honestly should never come out of your mouth. You wouldn't know honesty if it bit you in the arse. I also don't care what you "(dis)honestly think" when it comes to Williams as you can never be objective when it comes to him as noted by numerous posters.

What did I say about using the word "honest"? You're not capable of such a trait so don't pretend like you are.

Ferguson couldn't beat a vastly inferior Williams in Jeremy Williams.

I would give Terrell a good chance which is more than I can say for the chances of any of Carl's victims against The Big Cat.

 

You forgot to mention 5 of those 8 stoppages came before he was shot, and nearly killed, and came back a shell of himself. Prior to that, he only had 3 stoppage losses. 2 against a peak Liston, in which their is no shame in, and he gave a good account of himself. And the other against another murderous puncher in Satterfield, when he was a 20 year old kid, underdeveloped, a last minute substitute and faced nobody of significance. Let's at least TRY to be fair.

 

Terrell was not 20 years old. He was 23 years old, never knocked as a matter of fact, he never decisively lost (lost to 2 men, which were SDs) and some though he deserved to still be undefeated. He hadn't lost in 2 years and that was an SD to a very capable fighter.

 

sounds like a lot of excuses to me. Jaco was lucky? I can’t remember him being so protected.

Have you seen that fight? Get back to me with those notes.

Todd was okay actually. But a level below the fighters Carl beat. I can’t see Todd taking Larry Holmes to a split decision can you?

no Williams never knocked out Ernie. Cleveland “stopped” Terrell back in the day when Ernie was learning. Back then Ernie would typically lose one fight a year. He had not yet turned a corner. Later when he had turned a corner, he beat Cleveland. Didn’t he?

is that because you agree that Bert Cooper, Buster Douglas, Trevor Berbick and the unbeaten version of Jessie Ferguson would beat Cleveland?

Cleveland Williams was not as good as Jeramy Williams.

ernie Terrell could not beat Wayne Bethea in those days. However by the time he could beat good fighters he beat Williams in a rematch.

 

A puncher with a good left hook would always trouble Carl Williams. This is why I favor Cleveland. But make no mistake that the Truth was also a great boxer who could rise off the canvas to win. Good fight