Cleveland Big Cat Williams 1960 vs Carl The Truth Williams 1985.

If Carl had a better chin or better defense or some combination thereof, I'd pick him. But after this

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I say if Weaver did it, Cleveland has a reasonable shot to end it in the same fashion.

 

Let's see it was Ruddock's TENTH fight. He was 203 pounds and had yet to develop into the 240 pound monster who gave Tyson all he could handle and then some.

Yes I have. Douglas was a very inconsistent fighter and this was not one of his best nights. He was 243 pounds, one of his highest weights up to that point of his career.

So you admit you lied, when you said Williams never beat any good fighters on film?

No and I never suggested that. I bought up Herring to counter your argument that Williams never beat any good fighters on film (which itself is a flawed argument considering very few of Williams' fights are on film). You just keep changing the argument to where it suits you.

So let me get this straight, Jaco knocked out a (VERY) green, sick Ruddock when he was being pummeled all night until Razor quite literally got tired from beating Jaco's arse because of his condition and couldn't come out (and even so it was an RTD so not technically a KO nor TKO) but when Williams batters Terrell, floors him, leaves him utterly defenseless, and hitting him with lefts and rights at will, and wins with a TKO by stoppage, that doesn't count as a KO? This is a double standard of breath-taking proportions! You wonder why people call you dishonest!

We've went through this before and I've already established, that's simply not true. He hadn't lost in 2 years, an SD to a solid fighter in Wayne Bethea that many thought he won. That is not even close to one fight a year. On top of that, he was 23 years old and had been fighting for 6 years. Yet when Williams was 20 years old, and a last minute substitute who'd been fighting for 2 years at that point, you hold it against him, and always bring it up to discredit Williams as if that one fight defined his entire career even going as far as saying he "didn't get much better after." Another example of your astonishing never-ending hypocrisy.

He "beat" Williams in a SD that many (including the AP and one judge) thought Williams won, a year after Williams knocked him out. Are you seriously suggesting Terrell never improved in the 6 years he had been fighting prior to losing to Williams, but in the span of a year suddenly became this world-class fighter after losing to Williams? You will do ANYTHING and go to any lengths you can to discredit Williams. McGrain was right about you. You are one of the worst posters here and are almost certainly suffering from an diagnosed psychological issue.

No I don't agree. I'd pick Tokyo Douglas to beat Williams. That's the best I can say for that bunch.

lol

Again Terrell hadn't lost to Bethea in TWO years. An SD many thought he won. If you're seriously suggesting he didn't improve in the 2 years separating his SD loss to Bethea and his stoppage loss to Williams, I really have nothing more to say to you.

 

Yep. One of the fights that always comes to mind

 

Cleveland has a punchers chance, but I don’t see Cleveland beating Trevor Berbick or outboxing Tim Witherspoon.

You would think Spoon and Berbick would Have knocked out Carl otherwise.

 

You wouldn't see Cleveland Williams beating Charlie Zelenoff. Nobody cares what you think when it comes to him.

 

Actually nobody cares what you think period.

 

The names look good (which is why you used them) but "the truth" is they had both seen far better days. Berbick never beat a decent guy after being obliterated by Tyson and Witherspoon had been spinning his wheels for years.

 

The Big Cat by KO, heck I'd pick Carl to lose to the other Big Cat ,,,,,Ernie Ladd

 

Cleveland hit too hard and would eventually catch up to Carl.

 

Carl had a great day against Bert Cooper when Cooper was red hot in the division. He certainly looked to be the truth that day. Good boxer with a basketball player's chin.