@Mendoza , what do you think about Jefferies's power? Do you consider him a puncher in the league of Foreman or Liston? I think his record would suggest no. He was obviously very athletic but not so much of a power hitter IMO.
Valid point ,for example Marciano didn't make the cut at baseball because his arm went and he was too slow running between bases it had no bearing on his boxing ability.
Choynski drew with Jeffries and he drew with Armstrong.His wins over Everett and Smith were by dsq. Goddard also stopped Choynski twice.I'm not disparaging Choynski but he was a super middleweight fighting a man 52 lbs heavier.
Fleischer never altered his rankings.If you wish to persist in saying he had Jeffries at number one on some lists PRODUCE ONE.I'll wait a year. Bert Sugar was a storyteller, a former ad man, a self invented "character," he was not a historian.
Jeffries never went more than 25 rds in his life and then only against a man 25lbs lighter and 4 inches shorter.Neither did he ever fight in a bareknuckle boxing contest.
Right, Choynski drew with Armstrong, not won. My error, sorry. However, he beated Goddard, Maher, Childs, Johnson etc. Against Jeffries, he went down and ran away for half the rounds. His match today would be defeated on points, broadly. Your comment above, very right, says that boxing skills do not coincide with athletic power. It's true. Anderson and Nieder, for example, were monsters of power, but very poor boxers. Choynski was small in the face of a heavyweight, but capable, very capable. This is more important than weight. In my humble opinion. Good day.
Choynski was a great fighter, but not a great heavyweight he wasnt very durable because he could not absorb the punches of the bigger men.He was a very hard hitter its s good result for Jeffries,getting a draw ,but the size differential must be considered.
While Jackson was older the press covering this fight said Jackson was in fine condition and his friends were excited that he has regained his form. I suggest reading the Brooklyn Union, its a very good boxing cover. Round one was lively. In round two Jeffries landed a hook to the head and Jackson went down / began to fold. Round three was a Joe Louis like ending, with Jackson out and tangled up in the ropes completely out. Conditioning was not a factor in such a short fight. Johnson was boxing since 1894, and had 24+ reckoned fights when a past his best Choynski Ko'd him in 3. Johnson was not green. You might want to watch what the poster Mcvey says. He hates Jeffries, uses double standards and false information against him and is a zealot on Johnson.
So? He went 25 rounds, and had plenty left in the 20 round matches. Jeffries had lots of matches 20 rounds, they didn't;t go that far because he was a puncher. What are you saying here? Jeffries had excellent stamina. Some observers era think he would have been great in a bare knuckle match. You make zero sense.
Oh yes he did. Stop spamming the board with bad information. Fleischer once had Louis a bit higher, but moved him back down. You are referring to his final list. Lists should change over time. Nat's did. Ted Carroll, who wrote for the Ring said in the Feb. 19 1949 New York Age that Nat rated Jack Johnson and Joe Louis 1-2 at heavyweight at that time. No charge.
Dear Mendoza, can I give you a question? I don't know if that's true, but I read Jeffries also fought Childs and Martin. To your knowledge, is it possible? It seems important to me to evaluate the Grizzly. PS. Honestly, the great Jackson was old when he fought Jeffries and he had become an alcoholic. He had trained for the match, but he could not return to the levels of the past, in my opinion. However, Jeffries was green and his victory was clear.
Fleischer never placed Jeffries in the number one position,which was the claim of Rhas. If you also want to claim this produce ONE list by Fleischer with Jeffries at number one ,or stop with the fake news. Here is Fleischers list in1953 which was limited to the first 6.Here it is in1971 the first 6 are identical. "As I have had it listed in The Ring Record Book for some years, my all-time rating of heavyweights is as follows: 1. Jack Johnson, 2. Jim Jeffries, 3. Bob Fitzsimmons, 4. Jack Dempsey, 5. James J. Corbett, 6. Joe Louis, 7. Sam Langford, 8. Gene Tunney, 9. Max Schmeling, 10. Rocky Marciano. I started the annual ranking of heavyweights in the 1953 with only six listed: 1. Jack Johnson, 2. Jim Jeffries, 3. Bob Fitzsimmons, 4. Jack Dempsey, 5. James J. Corbett, 6. Joe Louis." NB Fleischer did not make a list before 1953 And he says so himself in this link 1971 "As I have had it listed in The Ring Record Book for some years, my all-time rating of heavyweights is as follows: 1. Jack Johnson, 2. Jim Jeffries, 3. Bob Fitzsimmons, 4. Jack Dempsey, 5. James J. Corbett, 6. Joe Louis, 7. Sam Langford, 8. Gene Tunney, 9. Max Schmeling, 10. Rocky Marciano. I started the annual ranking of heavyweights in 1953 with only six listed: 1. Jack Johnson, 2. Jim Jeffries, 3. Bob Fitzsimmons, 4. Jack Dempsey, 5. James J. Corbett, 6. Joe Louis."
It is honestly extremely unlikely that he had these two fights. From memory there was one newspaper article found which refers to him having beaten them, and there was from memory a very small time in Jeffries early career where he went on tour i think it was with Billy Gallagher, and his fights were not really covered in newspaper articles i found (though to be honest, i am pretty sure the Pollack biography would have looked at this time) . Jeffries did have a tiem where he was undefeated Pacific Coast champion and would have had a few unrecorded weekly fights here as well, but all in all, it is almost certain that the fights did not take place.
