GGG vs James Toney at 160.

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Who wins?

  1. Toney by decision.

  2. Toney by stoppage.

  3. Ladies and gentieman we have a draw!!!

  4. GGG by decision.

  5. GGG by stoppage.

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  1. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Certainly more plausible than your outlandish story that GGG outboxes Toney with the jab. :nonono The result of someone who is not familiar with Toney's middleweight days. :deal:
     
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  2. BCS8

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    Maybe you ought to actually watch McC-Toney instead of remembering a filtered version of it. McCallum had no problem landing his jab on Toney repeatedly.
     
  3. dinovelvet

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    https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...536853662264/GIF-5-Alternate.gif?format=1500w

    What can be seen here is the narrative of both Canelo fights. Golovkin is reluctant to attack in his usual manner and backs off every time he senses return fire. . His reluctance to engage was ramped up even further in the rematch when Canelo fought aggressive.
    The data doesn't suggest GGG would be prepared to throw down and engage with Toney in a fight.

    Unlike other propaganda (Artorias) videos that speed up the footage and cut away too fast , this vid slows it down so the viewer actually has time to process what happening.
    Just like the punch stats indicate , Golovkin hit nothing!


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  4. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yet Toney still beat him!! And Mc Callum is a more skilled boxer than GGG, the jab defense and movement. Emmanuel Stewart referred to him as the most complet fighter he has ever trained/mandaged. GGG is pressure type of a guy, a puncher, with excellent boxing fundamentals.
     
  5. dinovelvet

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    Another vid that proves the punch stats were accurate in terms of power punching

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  6. BCS8

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    What can be seen here is the fact that Dino doesn't know how Golovkin typically fights. He's contructing a false narrative in his head.
     
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  7. BCS8

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    Opinion ^
     
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  8. Mendoza

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    So I watched a bit of McCallum vs. Jackson, 1986 when McCallum was 29 years old. OMG what a difference!. McCallum is 29 here, much faster, more flexible and more defensive. The McCallum James Toney fought wasn't close to his prime, he was past it. Toney officially drew here to old Mike. In a prime for prime match up, it's not hard to see it go the other way.

    Take a sample of McCallum, 6 years younger in his prime vs. Jackson and you'll see.

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    Score card Toney vs McCallum 1.

    Round 1 10-9 McCallum with his jab being the main difference.

    Round 10-9 Toney. He's all over McCallum

    Round 3 10-10. Actually, I think McCallum was slightly the better, but to avoid any bias I'll call this one even as its the closest round so far.

    Round 4. 10-9 McCallum.

    Round 5 10-9 McCallum

    Round 6 10-9 Toney. Toney's left is too low. Hard round to score. Toney has the bigger moments, McCallum has more moments.

    Round 7 10-9 McCallum is breathing hard, and IMO has gone low one times too many. The ref should warm him.

    Round 8. 10-9 for Toney.

    So far though 8 rounds, I have it 4 rounds for McCallum, 3 rounds for Toney, and 1 round even.

    I'll watch and score the final four rounds when I have time, McCallum is tiring and his punches no longer have the same snap, I suspect Toney will come on in the later rounds, we'll see. This one is officially a draw. The action and skill level is good. The more the 35 year old McCallum tires, the easier it becomes for Toney to land.
     
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  9. Mendoza

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    Blade, this could be the best Toney has looked. Admit it, he's fighting a past his best McCallum, and has his hands full. I have McCallum up through 8 rounds. Are you going to post your card for this fight?

    The film does not lie. We understand you think Holyfield drew with Lewis ( Changed form your initial opinion as Holyfield was the winner ) and thats a
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    on your ability to score a fight, period.

    Toney doens't have the power like GGG has to bother McCallum, and is being out thrown and landed through 8 rounds, the jab to the head from the older McCallum who wasn't as fast as a prime GGG is scoring plenty. GGG has a great jab, and I highly doubt Toney would confront GGG the way he must vs McCallum.

    I see your ducking my point and questions again. Give a reply a try to this:

    How many ring magazine ranked opponents did Toney beat at middle, and super middle? Why did he lose badly to Jones, Tiberi, and draw with a past this best McCallum? No re-match with Nunn who was in the lead. And that Jackson fight, well you know about it.
     
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  10. Mendoza

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    So you are taking GGG out of his prime vs a good defense fighter and judging him in a fight he won? That isn't a fight video, its his Canelo highlights.

    Try watching Toney in a few other fights, including Tiberi then get back to us. He's there to he hit by the jab and isn't that hard to out work. Even an older fighter like McCullum made Toney miss several times, if I put the in a highlight video, you'd flip -flop
     
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  11. Mendoza

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    I'm currently watching and scoring Toney vs McCullum 1.

    McCullum is 35, past his prime & stiffer and slower than he was ( Vs Jackson when he was 29 ), yet I have him up on points after 8 rounds! McCullum;s jab is a major factor, Toney can't shake it and tend to hold his left hand low. GGG has a shot gun like jab and its faster than what McCallum is throwing. Toney can counter well, especially vs older and slower types.

    Toney's power isn't bothering McCullum at all, but GGG's hits harder than McCullum meaning Toney would have to pick and choose when to advance. It is my opinion that if McCullum was in his prime, he wins this draw.

    No, I was replying to you judging a doctored up highlight film in for of Canelo when GGG was out of his prime. How is that a fair analysis? Watch GGG when he was younger, his jab was much harder. Canelo has good defense. As GGG showed, he out worked Canelo, if needed he would do the same to Toney.
     
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  12. dinovelvet

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    Doctored means to alter or change something. How was the video doctored ? Explain.

    Furthermore , Mike gave Toney a lot of problems by applying pressure and throwing combinations to the body and head. Even at 35 he was still faster than Golovkin. The footage doesn't lie.

    To imply Golovkin would attack Toney like McCallum did is pure hocus pocus. The man didn't throw a body shot or combination at Canelo over 24 rounds of boxing. . Canelo took his heavy artillery away and Toney would do the same.
    Golovkin is not just cut from the same cloth as Mike McCallum in terms of taking risks and engaging in a fight. Mike was prepared to go places Golokin wouldn't be. The data proves this theory to be on point
     
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  13. Seamus

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    Someday I hope to see a fighter as good as people think Toney was at 160.

    Btw, am I the only one here to have seen him live sub 175?
     
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  14. BCS8

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    Impossible. Toney was an absolute monster at 160, except for all the times he wasn't, of course.
     
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  15. THE BLADE 2

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    And yet GGG did not beat anybody as good as Mc Callum. In his best win, GGG struggled with Jacobs who is really a poor man's Mc Callum. Some thought Jacobs won that fight and I might rewatch it in the same manner you are watching Toney-Mc Callum I.