Ortiz: Carlos Chavez X2, Lauro Salas, Dado Marino, Enrique Bolanos, David Kui-Kong Young X2, Tony Olivera X3, Lou Salica X2 (past prime), Little Pancho (past prime), Jackie Jurich X3, Luis Castillo X3, Jackie Paterson (past prime), Harold Dade X2 (prime for one), Theo Medina (past prime), etc. Olivares: Chucho Castillo X2, Alan Rudkin, Lionel Rose (past prime), Bobby Chacon X2, Jose Luis Ramirez, Art Haley, Jose Medel (past prime), Octavio Gomez, Takao Sakurai, Jesus Pimentel, Efren Torres (past prime), Godfrey Stevens (past prime), Salvatore Burruni (past prime), etc.
I stand by my thoughts. Ortiz’s wins resume had more depth. Olivares’ was more top heavy. Any 5 losses combined on Ortiz‘s resume are not as destructive to his rep as Olivares’ 2 losses to Herrera. Or the fact that over 70% of his double digit number of losses came by knockout. Ortiz makes him crack.
Can’t agree with that and in terms of my rankings at bantam, I’m only counting those wins that happened between the super fly and bantam limits Ortiz undeniably great, a top 100 all-time fighter all the same.
Also despite struggling with the weight at that point, I can’t possibly take points off Olivares for Rose being ‘past prime’. Sure, he was a champ who had close fights in all his defences and was struggling with the weight, but he also exclusively fought brilliant opposition in title fights. I also have no reaso. To believe Ortiz ever best someone as good as Chucho Castillo at bantamweight. H2H at bantam, Ortiz probably should be favoured to beat Olivares though.
Wow, high praise indeed! Thank you so much. I’m not much of a writer, it’s all about the research for me. Prose isn’t my strong suit I just try and make it easy to follow.
Durable as f***, can push a strong 15-round pace, body work will slow Olivares down. If Olivares wins it'll be via Castillo-1-esque boxing IMO
Well that's fair enough, but I always assumed that in situations like that, Olivares would revert to his boxer-puncher style, rather than that Charley Scott-esque style which he loved so much. But I do definitely think in a war, Ortiz's chin would be the decider. But I tend to think Olivares would know going in that he should stick and move, come over left hooks with his cross and try to counter.
