Is Marciano the number 1 h2h Heavyweight?

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Is he or isn't he

  1. Yes

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    9.6%

  2. No

    75 vote(s)
    90.4%
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  1. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    Simple question.

    Would he have beaten every single Heavyweight before or after him.

    Yes or no.
     
    BlackCloud, Oct 18, 2020
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  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    No, top ten is arguable but extremely unlikely.

    Number one is ridiculous.
     
    George Crowcroft, Oct 18, 2020
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  3. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    Well there are a few on here who have him beating everyone, so let's see who votes for what.
     
    BlackCloud, Oct 18, 2020
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  4. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    To be pedantic he wouldn't necessarily have to beat ever other heavyweight to be #1.

    But no he would not be top dog.
     
    JohnThomas1, Oct 18, 2020
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  5. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    Not a chance
     
    Noel857, Oct 18, 2020
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  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Nobody would have beaten every single heavyweight before or after them.

    There is somebody who would have got better results vs every heavyweight before or after them, than any other heavyweight could have managed.

    I think that what you are really asking, is was Rocky Marciano that man?

    While we cannot rule the possibility out, I submit that it is unlikely.

    His size, and style, both suggest that other men could have been more versatile, against a range of great heavyweights.
     
    janitor, Oct 18, 2020
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  7. Alexandrow Vids

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    Let me go a little further.

    Would he have beaten every single Heavyweight before or after him?

    No he wouldn't BUT the more interesting question would be:
    Can beat Marciano any Fighter in his own Weight Class? There was no Cruiserweight back then.

    Marciano would DESTROYED anybody in todays Cruiserweight division.
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    No he wouldn't.

    He'd probably beat them all. But destroy? Nah. He failed to destroy lesser men.
     
    George Crowcroft, Oct 18, 2020
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    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    swagdelfadeel, Oct 18, 2020
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  10. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Marciano KO6

    Vs who? Does it matter?
     
    George Crowcroft, Oct 18, 2020
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  11. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    We will all be labelled haters....
     
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  12. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. People love throwing around blanket statements like beating every heavyweight before him or after him. Every fighter has a style they struggle with and people need to remember just how many heavyweights came before and after Marciano.
     
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  13. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    Ali has the best chance.
     
    Kamikaze, Oct 18, 2020
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  14. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Not a bad shout.
     
    janitor, Oct 18, 2020
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  15. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Being number 1 h2h doesn’t equate to not losing to a single HW before or after.

    Ali is #1 h2h, no debate.
     
    reznick, Oct 18, 2020
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