Spoiler: Scorecard This content is protected For Rough, and anyone else who cares how the best scorer on the site had it. This content is protected 9 : 10 9 : 10 9 : 10 9 : 10* (36/40) 9 : 10 9 : 10 10 : 9* 10 : 9 (74/78) 10 : 9 10 : 9 10 : 9 9 : 10 ( This content is protected ) The vid I had was missing about 15-30 seconds from the start of each round. So, keep that in mind a bit. Even watching it after the fact, and already knowing the result, the threat of Teo's right hand still seemed ever present. Can definitely see why Loma fought cautious for so long. Teo's jab was really good. Very impressed with his seemingly natural aptitude for judging and manipulating distance. Considering the quality of Lomachenko's foot-work, he also did a damn good job of lining up his lead-foot with his lead shoulder. Having that jab's line of fire as straight as possible was a massive factor in why it was so much more effective than anyone else's. That and his reach. I do have to say, I think Loma wins a rematch should there be one. This fight has definitely reaffirmed the idea that Loma is toast vs a great body puncher. In the spoiler above, you'll see how I had the fight. Scorecard & Comments wise. There's been a lot of talk on here about what happened and I tend to think that all of the extremities are off the mark. As you'd expect, the truth (at least, IMO) is somewhere in the middle. Teo is not the best thing since sliced bread, and Lomachenko is no hype job. I had it 7-5, and I can see it 8-4 Lopez, that is not dominating someone. But at the same time, the idea that Loma deserved a draw, or heaven forbid a win is foreign to me. I can't see it. No matter how twist the scorecards and focus on individual exchanges. I just can't behind that. The below is not making excuses, if you can actually comprehend the definition of the word, then you'll notice that I didn't actually excuse anything here. And I don't intend to. Loma went from my #3 P4P, to around ten. He lost, and so he's getting degraded for it. That's what happens. Anyway, the below is what I think may have happened behind the scenes, and it is 100% educated guessing. I think that the Campbell fight played a part here. Loma was momentarily hurt there. It's not too far a reach to say that Loma figured he'd take less chances as he moved up. Campbell's power is a little underrated, but he's no puncher. Loma's confidence may well have took a knock. Combined with every man and his dog saying that Lopez's only chance was to get Lomachenko early. I tend to think that Loma's team may have (obviously) underestimated Lopez, and simplified him as a fighter. Their plan was obviously to keep the **** away from him early on, and then start upping the ante late. If Loma's confidence was off a little, that and being told to not be aggressive early may have explained his inactivity in the first half. In the second half, Lomachenko started turning it up but he didn't have the same 'wow' factor that he normally has when he turns everything up. Compared to other fights, Loma looked like he normally does in the early rounds. As in, he looked like he was just getting in the swing of things before he turns it to 'full-matrix mode' like he did in the late rounds vs Linares, Salido, Pedraza and Campbell &c. I tend to think that Loma's team will make a much, much more complex plan next time, that'll start with taking Lopez's 1-2 away then take it from there. But who knows. I really don't wanna take away from Teo though. The guy showed a brilliant jab, and an extremely impressive ability to be the boss in there. Not to mention the fact that his evident power had Lomachenko shook from day, and his body punches were nasty. I hate that Lomachenko is getting shat on so much, but also the amount of credit Teo is getting. Like I said, I don't wanna **** on him, and don't get me wrong, he deserves a lot of credit. He went from Commey to Lomachenko and just dethroned the best fighter on the planet fgs. He's undisputed champ in the most historical division in boxing, at age 23. It's genuinely legendary stuff, but he absolutely did not 'out-class' Loma, nor did he 'expose' him. He bossed him around and showed the world that Lomachenko isn't unbeatable. But I'm quite positive he won't repeat it. I'm sure many will see the above as a Loma fan 'exuse making', but in reality I haven't actually excused anything and I'm not even a big Loma fan. This is all theory crafting, and 100% speculation, but I'm sure you can see where I'm coming from. And BTW I've bookmarked this post for when it comes true and I look like a genius. Have I got the right idea, or am I being ridiculous and should be ashamed of my thread?
If you're all gonna ***** and moan like you have done in the rest of the threads, let me grab a scran and take a ****. I wanna enjoy the devastation I've caused.
I only allow those who can spell 'clearly' in my thread. Please remove yourself or fix your post. No hard feelings.
You need to be shorn, stripped, and walked through the streets of Baltimore as Duckvonta repeatedly yells Shame! Shame!
Perhaps Cleary is the Irish lad he picked up and brought back to his mother's home (basement) last night and after a hot all nighter, John Cleary is still on his mind.
My only problem with this fight is that Lopez win is being questioned. He won clearly in the biggest fight of his career. Loma fans need to accept that sometimes even the best fighters lose, it's all part of the game.
Good post The fight drew odd parrallels to Ward vs Kovalev for me. Lopez won the first 6 just like kovalev then loma figured him out but didnt do enough to nick it just like ward. Its for that reason I do believe the rematch (if it happens) is winnable for Loma. Styles are obviously different than ward and kovalev, although not that different, but much like loma, ward figured kovalev out and easily won the rematch. Can see the same happening here
I'm almost over the topic/fight, but there hasn't been this big of a fight/upset in a while. However, you wrote a great analysis and that's more of the type of posts I like to read and respond to. So I can definitely see why people think it was a case of Loma waiting to long and could win a rematch, but I would actually favor Lopez. In the early rounds it's obvious to everyone Loma did little so they scored the rounds for Lopez. Now why he did little is a little more open to interpretation That's been the story of the fight so far, why did Loma, this generation's best boxer, the matrix, wait so long? A lot of it viewed it as Loma was using his boxing brain to look for openings and that he was showing good defense, taking little punishment, and would eventually open up. This is a strategy that most defensive fighters take and what we are typically used to from Loma. When he did open up he showed some great combos so logic dictates that he just took longer to find the openings and should just get started earlier now that he knows Lopez style and strategy. This is where I disagree and next is why I think Lopez takes a rematch. Very few have actually watched the fight looking at what tricks and strategies Lopez did to make Loma clam up for 6-7 rounds. I used to be a boxer so when I was watching the fight I was actually geeking out a bit because one it was high level chess in there and two Lopez was using some strategies I used and was taught myself. Lopez had a commanding jab. In normal circumstances we might look at punches getting blocked and think, oh that fighter isn't very accurate, or the other boxer has very good defense. From what I was seeing is that Lopez was throwing heavy punches at Loma's gloves and forearms on purpose. This does a few things. One it kept Loma busy thinking defense, two it allowed him to feel the power and intimidate him, and three it allowed him to set the distance and positioning in the ring he wanted, and four he did it to set up the reactions and openings he wanted. The punches kept Loma busy, he felt the power and kept a high guard the whole night leaving him open to body punches. Even when he knew he would get attacked to the body he kept a high guard because he those stay busy punches were hard and he knew he didn't want to get hit up stairs. Even in the rounds Loma won they played out very similar. Rounds 8-11 were clear Loma rounds, but even 8-10 felt like Lopez was in control doing those same tactics throughout the rounds. I mainly gave Loma the rounds because he landed some beautiful combos. However watching those rounds it looked to me that Loma opened up because Lopez power started to zap a little bit and Loma knew he was down on the scorecards. To me it looked more like he knew he had to go in there and land something because there wasn't any great countering opportunities that he is used to. He looked frustrated and somewhat scared. Despite landing the bigger combos those rounds, Lopez also landed some of his heaviest shots those rounds. Round 1-6 were low output rounds for both guys, just that Lopez landed more, but even then it was mostly body shots and some glancing head shots. Loma looked unmarked those rounds. Once they opened up in rounds 7 onward was when I saw Loma's face started to get marked up and he looked frustrated that he was taking shots in return those rounds. He also didn't sustain his offense the whole time those rounds and would settle back to Lopez's pace between the exchanges. I thought round 10 or 11 was Loma's best round and he actually made Lopez look hurt and frustrated for the first time and start to back away. However even in rounds 8 or 9 Lopez's dad knew that Loma was coming after Lopez and recommended the pushing strategy to give himself space. By round 12 it was obvious to me Lopez had adjusted from a distance fight to knowing it was going to be mid range fire fight and let off some vicious combos. Round 12 basically tells me how a rematch would go. The strategy Loma had to use to win the rounds 8-11 would be the strategy that got him beat up in round 12 and probably knocked out in a rematch. All those things said, Loma and his dad are smart guys so they could potentially come up with a strategy that would win them the fight, but it's not the strategies from fight 1. If he goes aggressive again, Lopez will be stronger in the early rounds and will probably be more prepared for a mid range fight. If I was training Loma I would do a few things. 1 focus on his own jab and make it a jabbing contest. He likes to use feints and wait for openings, that's not going to work this time. This is a righty vs lefty fight, so he has to paw Lopez jab down and land his own jab right on top. Two he's gonna have to do more in and out. It leaves him open to more counters, but he is quick enough to do it. He wanted to box off the back foot, but Lopez has the reach advantage and there were no openings for him there, he's going to have to make them happen. Three, he's gonna have to lift, get stronger, and make it a physical inside fight. For all the talk of Lopez being stronger, sure, maybe, but not by much. When Loma went after Lopez, he was effective and able to push him back. His punches did get to Lopez, Loma was able to push Lopez back, and he held the speed advantage on the inside. Just a few "quick" thoughts on the fight, haha.
I think I've got the same card as you basically with round 2 and 7 switched around as they're the swing rounds of this fight. Easily could've been called a draw but I have it 7-5 Lopez too.
It was close to a draw, I had it all resting on the last round for Loma to save himself and he gave it away in the last minute and a half.
Great post man. I like the breakdown of Lopez hitting arms. I didn't notice all that stuff, but I can definitely see it. I dunno if it's coz of what the best guys who I learn from are teaching me but, I think Lomachenko might do best to fight as hyper-aggressive as ever in the rematch. If he uses that famous footwork to get on the inside, and takes away Lopez's 1-2 like I alluded to before then I think it'd work wonders. Say he takes away Lopez's jab by keeping his lead foot on the outside, then slipping the jab, and using the weight transference to snap his cross straight down the pipe, then he'll he safe from the right and after a few rounds of nailing Lopez, I'm sure Lopez wouldn't throw the jab with quite so much authority. If Loma uses distance properly, then he'll end up stifling Teo's leverage, which means he doesn't need to worry about the huge power punch. It wouldn't hurt if Loma pivoted off after every combination to the body (which would no doubt pay dividends in the later stages) coz then he'd have Teo turning. We know he can use all of the skills above, and we know he can throw enough punches to accommodate for such a style and he'll obviously surge late like he always does. It's risky, but really, what does Loma stand to lose compared to what he'll gain? And he'd probably catch Lopez off guard with a strategy as aggressive as that. Plus, it'd be an awesome fight.
I mentioned it in the RBR and I will say it here. The fight reminded me of Hopkins vs Taylor I. The young challenger started well in the first 6 while the champion finished well in the last 6. When it comes to Loma. I think Top Rank will feed him some scrubs and have him win a title or two until they make him fight some other Top Rank favorite like Shakur Stevenson.
