I thought p4p lists were good through the 90s and early 00's, then fighters got more business oriented and more reluctant to fight that it's mere speculation at this point. I don't see any strong arguments for a number 1 right now and strong arguments why everyone rates lower, haha.
I'm more of a what have you done lately type of guy. The fact he unified at 140 was great a few years ago. Now he's in a super talented weight class and hasn't fought anyone of note. Since I can't consider him the top welter I can't consider him #1. Right now p4p #1 is vacant in my book with Canelo being default next highest, but with a big fat asterisk.
Lol, I think you are both solid posters since the time I've been back posting. I'm a little surprised there is bad blood there. However, I know I've taken long periods of time off from the board so I don't know what everyone's relationship is or where their fanaticism's lie.
Its okay i respect lance hes a good poster i over reacted the other day . lance is good man . i just don't understand why he dislikes lopez but its okay .we may not see eye to eye but i respect him.
How is it any different from Usyk unifying at cruiserweight and going up and fighting no one of note at heavyweight yet? And your right he shouldn't be considered the best welter, but of all the welters I think he's made a good case for being the best p4p fighter out of all of them since he unified and moved up into welter unlike porter Spence and Thurman who have always been welters
The PFP list is much harder to determine these days. Most guys go for years without facing top opponents at their weight. Crawford is probably the best example of this but he has gold company. Wilder and AJ avoided each other like the plague and Wilder only agreed to fight Fury because he was returning from a long drug induced layoff and he thought it would be an easy win. I don’t have any major problems with the list but would like to see Usyk ranked higher. He is one of the few guys who actually beat all of the best guys at his weight and moved up to the next class. He didn’t cherry pick and fight a faded big name at a higher weight or smaller guy moving up. Also, none of his victories were controversial, they were pretty decisive. These lists are like most “best of” lists, they make people argue and draw attention to the sport. Crawford was once my favorite fighter but his lack of legitimate opponents at 147 is frustrating. Even though he’s a top talent, I would have no problem with him being off the list completely until he fights a legit opponent. Same for Mikey Garcia. He’s a great fighter but he seems to be more interested in fighting much bigger guys(cashing bigger short term paychecks) and getting beat up than crafting a legit legacy. It’s a shame because he is wasting his prime and has the skill to be one of the best fighters in boxing. He has PFP skills if he fights at his true weight.
I think his situation is similar to Usyk's. Usyk just did it more recently. I also wouldn't consider him p4p #1 until he was number 1 at heavy's. I think both have good chances to become #1, but also good reasons to think they might not. I like when p4p#1 settle business right away in a new weight class to eliminate question marks. That's just my personal way of thinking about it, but don't hold those beliefs so strongly. I understand this is prize fighting and there is a whole business side of it that is more complicated than in the past.
Its totally different because Usyk cleaned out a division of guys his own natural weight. He’s moving up to fight much bigger guys and has to get a few fights under his belt to acclimate to the weight. If he’s still fighting bums three years from now, you could make a comparison to Crawford, maybe, except Crawford is ducking guys his own weight. Most of the top HWs have major size and weight advantage over Usyk. Crawford was a true welter when he was fighting at 140 and even 135, he was just a weight bully. It’s pathetic that he’s managed to avoid the top guys for this long and still remain on the PFP list. He is literally ducking guys who are probably smaller than he is on fight day. Has he faced a top five welter yet?
So according to your reasoning that Korean beat Roy Jones jr i the Seoul Olympics huh & Holyfield really drew with Lennox Lewis ??
So Crawford didn’t make a living at 135 and 140 beating smaller guys? He hasn’t moved up to his natural weight and avoided all top guys for two years? So far he’s fought a parade of bums and the ghost of Khan. His next fight is against Brook, who Spence has already beaten. Crawford moved to Welter over two years ago and still hasn’t fought a legit opponent. Even though the guys he is avoiding are his own size. No Spence, Porter, Thurman, etc. Usyk moved to HW a year ago and fought a tuneup at HW and his next fight is against Chisora who has fought Fury, Klitchko, Pulev. Usyk is favored but it’s not unreasonable for a guy to face a couple opponents before facing the top guys when he’s not even a natural HW and will be giving up size against every top HW. I hope this clears it up for you. There is no comparison. It’s mind boggling because Crawford would probably be favored against everyone except Spence, maybe. Usyk will be an underdog against all top HWs but I expect him to face one of them before Crawford faces Spence. Let that sink in.
147 Jeff Horn is a better win for Crawford than old shot Chisora would be at Heavy for Usyk. Prove otherwise Your biased rubbish is falling on def ears. 20 years ago all of these "top cruiserweights" would have been journeyman heavyweights if boxing didnnt adjust the limit to a ridiculous 200 so you claiming Usyk is fighting at his natural weight but coming into the ring at 220 is comical. You calling old Chisora a good opponent is just hilarious as well. As I stated It's not even as good as Jeff Horn at 147 but nice try
The P4P list shouldn't comprise of fighters who've proven that they can beat fighters who they hold significant-huge physical advantages over or have scored a solitary win against an opponent who is fighting way out of their weight class because they're daring to be great by routinely challenging themselves by taking on much naturally bigger opponents at their third weight category. That just might mean you were the right guy, in the right place at the right time and your huge advantages in natural size, weight, reach and power which obviously has a lot to do with your natural size and weight advantage were too much. Like I said, Spence could dare to be great and move up to his third weight class and take on someone like Liam Williams but the later wouldn't be featuring on anyone's P4P list after he inevitably sparked him out and Spence and Williams are both natural 154 pounders too, not like a natural 140 vs a blown up 126. Truth be told, Spence and Williams are probably about the natural same size but if Williams detonated on that chin of his he'd knock him spark out. Lemieux would spark Spence out cold too but, again, he wouldn't be featuring on anyone's P4P lists if he beat him at 160 either. Same goes if Danny Jacobs beat Spence up at 160.
