Usyk is a great fighter but not a great heavyweight

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  1. Boxed Ears

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    The titular title of this thread is something of which I do not agree with.
     
  2. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great post, but the delusion is strong in dent-head. He would take a few months to convince himself that Usyk brought a .357 to the ring and shot him.
     
  3. Chitown

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    How come?
     
  4. Boxed Ears

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    He's like all over the place. He need ecconomical movement like Joe Louis more or I think he got a real glass ceiling.
     
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  5. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just who are these "top guys?" I get Fury. Maybe Joshua.

    The rest are all in a cluster not much above Chisora. Chisora gave Whyte hell twice, who lost to Povetkin, who drew with Hunter, who was spanked by Usyk. Whyte beat Parker, who beat Ruiz...

    Which brings us to Joshua. Joshua lost to Ruiz, so he may be at the top of that cluster, but he is still a part of it.

    I wouldn't throw Usyk in there with Fury. Anyone else I say let's see it.
     
  6. JDub

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    I wouldn’t go that far myself but I know what you mean, rewatched it just now and I’d really be concerned for him if he’s getting roughed up like that against the big boys at HW.
     
  7. Chitown

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    EEs like him and Loma dont have the best clinch and infighting games. Could get him really roughed up against Fury or Joshua
     
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  8. Shrollleftupper

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    He needs to hire a trainer from Detroit. When his excessive movement clearly wasn't working, he tried to use the Philly shell but he did it incorrectly and kept getting hit. Those guys from Detroit would teach him how to use it properly.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    Well, that's what I mean. He has a lot of skill and talent but clearly not enough to keep a stumpy armed heavyweight clean off of him.

    Chisora has a short reach. Chisora is shorter than Usyk. He also doesn't have fast hands. He's considered 'tailor made for Usyk' in that respect. Yet he was getting through, cuffing Usyk around a bit, even if they weren't clean shots, and roughing him in the clinches.

    Put Usyk in with someone 6'6, with long arms, faster hands than Chisora, strong uppercuts. If a good big heavyweight like that applies pressure, Usyk will have nothing to save himself. He's neither powerful enough or slick enough.
     
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  10. JDub

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    yeah take that reach advantage away and what’s he got? Footwork? It would be over for him pretty quick I reckon.
     
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  11. JDub

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    I’d add Whyte to that as he’s pretty good with the roughhouse tactics. Think Parker fight.

    Wilder probably knocks him cold at some point too.
     
  12. It's Ovah

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    Yeah, you never really see him showboating despite his flamboyant out of the ring personality. Even when he has the measure of his opponent he's still relentlessly trying to break them down with scoring shots. You might see him making a few sloppy mistakes, like throwing a cuffing lead hook while out of range or taking a straight counter shot on the way in, but it's all in the name of getting the win, and his opponents are usually unable to capitalise on them because of everything else he's doing.

    Some of the comments yesterday made me feel like this was the first time many people were watching Usyk and were expecting some sort of HW Lomachenko. Usyk's more like a HW Calzaghe, another guy who didn't always look the smoothest in the ring but pulled out the wins time and again.
     
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  13. Somali Sanil

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    His cruiser weight run dispels your logic, not being rude to you. He went through quality after quality, he’s a great fighter to beat Breidis, Gassiev Hunter back to back, that’s what put him in the top elite p4p. Holy moving up now and meeting these very big guys gets stopped, they are bigger than the big guys Holy struggled with, it’s really over size with Usyk, he’s better p4p than any super heavy including fury
     
  14. Safin

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    Is this post intended to be satirical?
     
  15. Surrix

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    Now looks that he is slow. Not sharp.
    Skills = elite! except clinch.

    Talented, even in ammies he had proved this.

    Briedis hanged pretty normally and Usyk had lost him 2 last round in their fight.
    Of course with Egis and Eddie as Oly gold medalist etc is better marketable kid.


    I normally wished to see the same Briedis with 213-215 lbs weight in vs Usyk.:D

    OK, I had forget about clean division cleaning and beatup in backyards etc PR stuff.
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