Why I think GGG is a top 15 all-time middleweight.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mendoza, Apr 13, 2018.



Is Golovkin a top 15 all time great at middle weight?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    45.2%
  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Absolutely. Absolutely I do. The second you make changes you've stopped learning. As soon as you stop reviewing your own opinions, you're doomed to stagnation.

    I see you don't make changes :lol:

    I don't have a new one.
     
  2. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Going from the worst ever in the history of the films sport to close is pretty amazing. I never saw any serious fan say that one before. Not buying it. Minor changes sure, from worst to close...

    I'm asking for your old one, NOT your new top 40. Let me take a look at it, I might be able to help you out :)
     
  3. McGrain

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    What does this mean? You seem to think i'm pretending that I have it 115-112, that I made this scorecard in pretence years ago?

    Why?

    You are aware that our scorecards are different by one round? You're about to create a conspiracy theory to explain the difference of one round between our scores?

    Sure, post yours and i'll post mine.

    You could just respond to post 20 though, which you ducked first time around.
     
  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Yes, he did.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

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    This is correct :deal:

    #01. Harry Greb
    #02. Sugar Ray Robinson
    #03. Carlos Monzon
    #04. Marvin Hagler
    #05. Bernard Hopkins
    #06. Bob Fitzsimmons
    #07. Dick Tiger
    #08. Freddie Steele
    #09. Charley Burley
    #10. Holman Williams
    #11. Jake LaMotta
    #12. Teddy Yarosz
    #13. Frank Klaus
    #14. Stanley Ketchel
    #15. Mike Gibbons
    #16. Leo Houck
    #17. Joey Giardello
    #18. Tommy Gibbons
    #19. Lloyd Marshall
    #20 Emile Griffith
    #21. Mike O'Dowd
    #22. Ken Overlin
    #23. Bert Lytell
    #24. Tony Zale
    #25. Gene Fullmer

    HMs: Mickey Walker, Lou Brouillard, Fred Apostli, Tiger Flowers, Billy Papke etc.
     
  6. Mendoza

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    It means you can't score a fight if you thought 114-114 was a good card for CGG vs Canelo 1, Stop with the false statement that 114-114 was the most popular card. Hardly.

    Can you produce your card for GGG vs Canelo 1?

    It means you flip on a dime from worst robbery ever to meh not I think it could have been a 1 point fight.

    I never went 40 deep at middle, but 15 sure. I just want to see your top 40 before you change you mind. Help you on that, I can.
     
  7. Mendoza

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    Thanks. All I can say is wow, this won't be how you see it 10 years from now.

    Quick comments:

    Hopkins at #5? Tell me why? I'm curious and do not think you reason as to why will match with other fighters who did similar things.

    Tiger at #7 !!!! ( Crazy spot for him ). Just no.

    Williams at #10? Did you ever see him fight? How do you explain all of the losses? It took him forever to make the HOF.

    Yarrosz. Never ever saw him in the top 15.

    Houck? Not where he is

    Giardello? A very rare pick for where you have him

    Lytell -Okay I see you logic based on who he fought, However he had little power and only lost 23 times. Did you ever see him fight?
     
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  8. McGrain

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    You have posted so many different lists for media scorecards over the past few weeks that it is almost impossible to keep up. However, the first list you posted some weeks ago had 114-114 as the joint most popular scorecard on the list. That's all I said, and it was.

    Weeks later you are still on about it. It's bizarre, it's so odd.

    Regardless, 114-114 was a very popular media scorecard, one of the most popular numerical cards from ringside. It's the highest number of drawn media scorecards I've ever seen at any fight.

    The above is my position.


    Absolutely, as soon as you post yours.

    What happened was, I scored the fight and saw it much closer than I had previously appreciated. If you want to sum it up as "flip on a dime" i'm fine with that. It's already apparent that nobody is really taking you or this thread seriously.

    No thanks; i don't take you seriously as a poster and your help would not be welcome.

    Thanks for offering though.
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

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    I think the fact he wrote it like Yoda only harmed his case.
     
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  10. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    Not sure who is currently having the biggest meltdown...

    Mendoza or Bulldog?
     
  11. McGrain

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    Definitely six and two threes.

    I blame the pandemic.
     
  12. BlackCloud

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    Can you give us a running count as to how many times Bulldog has hit the report button!
     
  13. Unforgiven

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    Who exactly ?
    Trinidad, Eastman, Holmes, Lipsey might be his best wins ..... Johnson, who had never fought close to world level before ?
    Mercado perhaps.
    Gilbert Baptist.
    Robert Allen got three shots.
    I don't know, seems like a weak crop to me.
     
  14. George Crowcroft

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    I blame the education system :lol:
     
  15. NoNeck

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    For long 160 reigns, I think of GGG, Monzon, and Hagler, and Hopkins for relatively modern era. Hagler had it the toughest, but Hopkins is right there with Monzon and ahead of GGG (less dominant).

    Tito shouldn’t just be downgraded because he got his ass kicked. It was a big win over a red hot 160 champ.
     
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