Was Kid Gavilan a better fighter P4P than George Foreman?

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  1. Boxed Ears

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    Leonard fought Duran's fight. Montreal Duran's fight. Copied and pasted from Tokyo Douglas. Still deserving of a mention. He didn't like movers. But his footwork was economical. As opposed to slow. Duran's fight. Drew the colour line. Stalin was worse.
     
  2. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    He's a real person who evolved into a trolling algorithm.
     
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  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    LaMotta in his kitchen: ''I know I can beat Louis but look at these small hands''.
     
  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Not sure what all that was, but please don`t mention Douglas and Duran in the same sentence again.
     
  5. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Yeah, I don't see the relevance though.

    Well, let's start with what you think is wrong. Do you agree that Stalin was worse, or are you like one of "them" types?
     
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  6. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Starlin was no worse than Trump or Honeyghan and LaMotta was saying he was better than Louis but just not big enough to fight him, he beat Ray Robinson who the term P4P was coined for as he himself was being rated above Louis in his prime. (P4P)
     
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    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I think we're on the same page now. :deal

    Edit: That emoticon text doesn't work anymore. That is just not right.
     
  8. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All a sudden non-Russian-speaking people are experts about Joseph Stalin?
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    Stalin belongs to the world.
     
  10. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    I think he was a greater Welterweight but he didnt have success moving up to Middleweight. Overall I guess you could put Griffith above him for his success @60. H2H Gavilan would win I believe.
     
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  11. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A historical figure needs to be considered in historical context, how did the leaders of other states rule their countries, what condition the state was in, internally and externally (threats and restrictions from other countries), what were the alternatives (without using hindsight). Most of this is omitted in American and European books, they are mostly accentuating bad things about him, an outright moster and tyrant. It's much more complex than that, and it's not like European or American politicians were much better or better at all, at the time.
     
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  12. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Hey, he's one of my favourites, Senya. Better leader than Obummer or any of the Dems from my country, certainly. Also, always felt he had very kind eyes. You can tell a lot from the windows to the soul. Unless you're a dirty Uke and you have no soul.
     
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  13. Unforgiven

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    Hey, you're preaching to the choir here, my good man.

    Stalin's the G.O.A.T in my world.
     
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  14. Unforgiven

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    I'm not so sold on Marlon Starling though, for the record.
     
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  15. Boxed Ears

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    Dude, you have GOT to see the movie he did called "Super Size Me."
     
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