Tyson Fury vs Joseph Parker. Would Parker even win 1 round?

I must admit I've always overrated Parker.
I'd love him to be better than he is, but until proven otherwise he is what he is. And that is quite average.

I do think he won against Hughie though. Although it was one of those fights where both deserved to lose.

He did deserve at least a draw against Whyte.
And he did win 3 or 4 rounds against Joshua and nailed him good a couple of times, until the referee put a stop to close quarters fighting.
The Ruiz fight could have gone either way though.

Average, yeah. But apart from Fury and Joshua right now, they all look average. And even Joshua's 1-1 against Ruiz, who isn't better than Parker.

 

Not do with Fury but Wilder being vastly overrated. His best wins include Ortiz (who only notable win was 5 years ago against Jennings, Duhaupas, Spzilka and Washington.

Wilders has shown to an extremely limited fighter with weaknesses on display in all of the fights against Fury, Ortiz, Spzilka, Washington, Molina, Nichols and Duhaupas.

Has a powerful right but that's literally it.His left is useless, punching technique is laughable at times with his "windmill" that normally results in him displaying his dreadful foot work and balance resulting in him falling over or being in a very vulnerable position to be countered.

Any HW that is a come forward preasure fighter with punching power he has has avoided his whole career like the plague.

There's plenty of fighters I would favour against Wilder that stylistically a bad match up for Wilder. Some of which I wouldn't deem to be 10 HWs at present in Hrgovic (footage on YouTube of the at the time 19 year old amateur Hrgovic dominating Wilder in Sparring) and Bakole.

 

I think you might have a point with Hrgovic, but Bakole is a bit of a stretch.

The thing you don't seem to factor in with Wilder is that you need exceptional movement and awareness to judge range and distance to avoid his power. His power cannot be argued with - it's the best we've seen at HW level for years and his record (using your own favoured metrics) shows that.

We know he has a padded record, but I don't think many of the other HWs would have the movement and boxing instinct to position themselves offensively and defensively to do what Fury did. We know Wilder is limited - no one argues that he isn't. He looks sloppy and uncoordinated.

It's a cliche but all Wilder needs is to connect once. There aren't many fighters I think that could avoid him for 12 rounds. Even Fury was hit once or twice with big shots in Wilder vs Fury 2 (I think in one of the early rounds 3/4) but was able to position himself to parry some of the power away. Not many HWs would be able to do that consistently against someone like Wilder.

 

Agree 100%.

People saw fury put it on Wider and now think all you have to do is walk forward and you win. It's completely disrespectful to how Fury performed. I would back Wilder against any of the other heavies as they are just too slow and have almost no head movement.

We all know Wilders flaws but his right hand is a massive weapon. I compare his right to the casuals at work as Ajen Robben cutting in on his left, you know hes going to do it but you cant quite seem to stop it. His right is predictable but he throws it in an unorthodox and unpredictable way. Its not like a Chisora telegraphed right, its a sharp, fast, sledgehammer of a right.

 

Exactly. On paper it would appear very easy to beat Wilder, but not every single HW has the ability to do it. It's more more subtle than just 'walking him down and putting it on him'. That's absurdly simplistic.

Luiz Ortiz, who for years was viewed as one of the most skillful HWs around, wasn't able to solve the puzzle in 2 fights. Just because Wilder looks sloppy people and Fury comprehensively beat him people believe he's an easy night's work. I'm not sure what his mental state is now, but prior to Fury 2 he was probably the most dangerous fighter in the division in terms of unpredictability and sheer power.

 

Wilder has the speed and athleticism of a middleweight. He doesn’t move like your average heavyweight who mostly have slow footwork. Where fighters have to set traps to create openings that are only there for a fraction of a second, he has phenomenal speed, timing and power to by-pass that. He has that instinct to react to an opportunity. Plenty of fighters have put him on the back foot and beat him up, it’s a myth that nobody hasn’t. Fury even did it at times in their first fight...and they all got chinned. His resume isn’t great but not his fault Povetkin failed for PEDs. He is capable of beating anyone with one punch.


Edit. Just seen the posts above who already say what I’ve just said. I started writing my post, got distracted then came back to it. By then, the points had already been made

 

Good post. Problem is it falls on deaf ears with Mitch. He's made up his mind about Wilder, Fury and what he thinks about boxing and will not be persuaded otherwise.

 

If Wilder beats one of the more talented top 10 or so fighters in the divison then I give Wilder his credit. Otherwise it's just pure media hype (mainly from Sky as they were certain that they could get the AJ fight done and had full confidence in AJ to win but Haymon doesn't have any faith in wilder winning that figt whatsoever) from KOing low level cherry picked opposition.

Compared Wilder resumes to Povetkin and Whyte for example then Wilders resume falls dramatically short in comparison yet the former 2 receive half the hype and recognition.

Also speaks volumes that Wilder can have so many fights and go without facing any of the considered harder punchers of the divison.

Whilst you have AJ who fought 3 of the power punchers in Wlad, Povetkin and Whyte. Fought 2 of the guys with the quickest of hands in Parker and Ruiz (and two of best chins in the division). Now is taken on the guy with arguably the best jab in divison in Pulev.

 

Whyte has a lower KO ratio than Fury. Not sure how he’s considered a power puncher. Ortiz even has a higher KO ratio than Whyte.

 

You're contradicting yourself.

You're talking about Wilder's need to build his resume by beating top quality opposition, then in the same breath you are claiming that Joshua taking on Pulev has credence because Pulev potentially has the best jab in the division. Wilder has quite clearly the best right hand in the division and Pulev's resume is poor for a 39 year old, so-called top contender. It's worse than Wilder's.

 

Whyte Brutally Koed durable Chisora.
Dropped durable Rivas
Dropped durable Povetkin twice (who only been dopped by Wlad an AJ).
The only guy to drop tough chin Parker.

What known durable fighters have Fury or Wilder dropped in comparison?

 

Dave Allen stopped Browne quicker. That scalp means nowt, he’s completely shot. Chisora is a gatekeeper who has been beaten every time he’s stepped up.
You name Parker, Rivas & Povetkin who he’s dropped but they all got back up to put him on the canvas...all 3!!!

 

I was using it as example of different types of opposition AJ haa fought with different skilled attributes to show he has fought different types of fighters. Unlike Wilder who has avoided a certain type fighter his whole career.

Pulevs resume is on par with Wilders.

 

I didn't mention Browne KO as i don't deem a decent opponent unlike the others I mentioned.

KD still show punching power, inparticular when its against durable tough chinn opponents. Shows more power than KOing low quality opponents such as Spzilka, Schwarz, Washington etc.