Joseph Obey Joyce vs. Daniel Dubois & Jack Catterall vs. Abderrazak Houya RBR.

By all accounts Joyce is going for the Usyk fight for vacant WBO belt.

Dubois has to fight a few confidence boosters then should go in with the likes of Ortiz. Fights against the likes of Schwarz hot him to this point and didn’t teach him enough. Smashing people like fujimoto and tetteh in hindsight was a completely wrong move unless you’re going down the wilder route of 40 fights before fighting fringe world level guys.

 

I tend to agree with this sentiment.
It's not impossible for a fighter to redeem himself from a quit job but it's relatively rare.
To get to top level you need a certain amount of heart. More than what Dubois showed.

 

Weird reading some of the comments that seem to mitigate or deny his blatant QUITTING.

I reserve judgment until I know a fighter hasn't been rushed to hospital with a brain injury.
But it looked like he quit with a swollen eye.
And it's Sunday morning now and no news of him being in a coma.
So .... the kid quit with a swollen eye.

I don't blame him, I'd do the same thing. But that's why I'm not a professional fighter.

 

I don't like this talk of Dubois being a quitter. Yes he quit in this fight but it does not have to be terminal for his career. It depends on what he does to get back. Duran quit. Vitali quit. Does not mean they were not great fighters.

Dubois is a young guy who has been fed cans and has the entire marketing machine of Queensburry and some of the British press calling him the next big thing. He has never faced adversity and the first time he came up against someone who would not fold and fought back, he was shocked and did not know how to react. You can see this from the 5th round onwards. When he got hurt, he simply did not know how to react.

I blame his manager/coaches/promoter more than anything as they built this guy up without giving him the tools to deal with adversity. Dubois learnt a big lesson in this fight but he still did not make a million excuses. I give him credit for that.

 

You could tell from the way his corner were talking to him as soon as the eye started swelling and his nose was bleeding that they were worried his arse was going go. Clearly they knew something that the rest us (including FW) didn't. He doesn't have the bottle to get him to the top and that's just how it is sometimes. Seems like a lot of people don't want to accept this.

 

Gotta say I loved Joyce's moments in between rounds.

He sat down on his stool each time with the same, unperturbed expression on his face. Like a roofer taking a minute for a roll up or Jammie Dodger. Just a dude making his way through the working day.

 

Agree I thought he was so disrespectful to Joyce in post fight interview with BT.

 

He reached world level.

 

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maybe in the drug laundering field

 

Yeah the contrast between the two corners was very apparent, I noted that as well during the fight. Even though the fight was pretty even up to the half way point, Joyce and his corner seemed calm while Dubois' corner seemed like they were in full panic mode and dealing with an emergency.

It gave me the impression that Dubous was giving everything just to hang in there with Joyce while Joyce was still biding his time to turn the screw and slowly up the pressure as Dubois began to deteriorate.

 

He had the fight beat out of him and obviously was hurt badly by that last shot.

What´s so bad about quitting? He quit in a though fight. So he doesn´t have that killer mindset. Now we know what to expect from him.
It´s not like he got a cut and looked for an easy way out ala Robert Guerrero or Tor Hamer.

Just because he is a fighter, doesn´t mean he should be putting his life on the line in every fight. This is a sport after all, and there is more to life than a career in boxing.

 

How long was Joyce's contract with QP

 

He quit. Simple as that. If he had a champs heart, he would've gone to the end of the round before getting it stopped in the corner.

Not a good look, especially when you compare to guys like Lebedev. The mystique around Dubois is gone forever. He can come back, but the fact he quit will always be in both his opponents and his own mind now.