How many fighters 218lbs or under could have beaten a prime M.Tyson?

Louis gets his ass handed to him by countless ATG HWs from the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s.
And Ali was sent to dream world by a cruiserweight in Cooper. Tyson can definitely do better.

 

You’re talking to two of the biggest Tyson fantasists on this forum apologies to Sangria).
So called prime Tyson who couldn’t KO Tillis or Blood Green suddenly walks through the two best, most proven and greatest fighters the heavyweight division has seen.
And any mention of Douglas destroying him they run squealing to their Tyson highlight reels on YouTube and blubber about Mike not being prepared (like that’s Douglas’s fault), the count being too long and that muppet Kevin bloody Rooney wasn’t there to hold his hand.
All their claims are baseless and made from a childlike blind devotion that’s as disrespectful to the true greats as it is wrong. Mark in particular has almost an obsessive attraction and worship of Mike. It’s worrying actually.

 

You think Ali can do better than Tillis coming off three straight losses?

 

Tillis didn't fight an 88 Tyson, he fought a younger and less experimented Tyson.

 

Oh, playing coy, are we? Is that your game then?

 

Ah, you mean much like the Ali that fought Cooper the first time in 1963 was younger and less experienced than the peak version of 66-67?

 

I'm not playing any game, I simply didn't understand what you meant.

 

True, but that is irrelevant since I didn't mention that fight to point out Ali's flaws technique wise, I just brought it up to show that he could be sent to dreamland with a well placed punch. Whether it's a 63 Ali or a 66-67 Ali, the jaw/chin is roughly the same.

 

You could just as well say that Tillis exposed Tyson's slow feet and that was the same in 88.

 

Sometimes a fighter rallies & fights well beyond his normal capacity. Did y'all know this history? After his 3 straight lost decisions, & from Wikipedia:

Stamina issue
After extensive medical examination, Tillis' strange recurrent fatigue midway through fights was found to derive from a severe allergy to the classic fighter's diet of milk and eggs. A doctor provided Tillis with a more suitable diet, in the training for his upcoming fight with [url]Mike Tyson[/url], a red-hot prospect with a 19–0 (19 knockouts) record. Tillis appeared to be a new man, as he exchanged with Tyson and gave the future two-time champion a very tough fight. Although ultimately outpointed, he was the first person ever to take Iron Mike to [url]the distance[/url]. Surprisingly, Tillis' heart and will to fight has been questioned quite frequently by boxing analysts, even his co-manager Beau Williford told to the press the night before the fight considering that James was on a three-times-in-a-row losing streak, that his professional career as a boxer would be ended most likely if stopped by Tyson. Trainer [url]Angelo Dundee[/url], who worked with Tillis for the Weaver fight and some subsequent fights, finally gave up his job, he said: "James had no spirit to fight." In the pre-fight interview he told the ESPN staff that he found that spirit. To prove Dundee was wrong, Tillis violated almost all the Dundee "No-Nos" in the Tyson fight:[url][1][/url]

• Fought out of the squared-up stance, instead of the closed sideway stance.
• Sometimes fought with both hands down.
• Switched to southpaw and back to orthodox.
• Lead with his right hand.
• "Left-hooked with a hooker."
• Got tangled in wild exchanges.

Culminative moment of the fight came at 2:45 of the fourth round, when Tillis charged at Tyson with a leaping left hook, missed, and went off-balanced while pivoting on his left foot. Tyson slipped the punch and promptly switched to orthodox, throwing a leaping left hook of his own that landed right to the Tillis' chin, Tillis went down immediately. Tillis got up quickly at the count of "Two." That was the only knockdown during the entire fight, it cost Tillis a point, and subsequently a round on all the three judges' scorecards, and eventually the fight, which otherwise would have been ended a draw.[url][2][/url]

Initially, the crowd was rooting for Tyson, but in the later rounds it turned somewhat against Tyson due to him being unable to knock Tillis out, and after the ring announcer Paul LeFlore announced the judges' decision, pronouncing Tyson as the winner by a unanimous decision, the crowd booed wildly when referee [url]Joe Cortez[/url] raised Tyson's hand. Being interviewed by the [url]ABC Sports Network[/url] staff, Tyson himself said he just "fought a guy who was up for this fight, in the greatest shape in his life."[url][1][/url]

The new Tillis was short-lived, however, as he traveled to Australia and lost a decision

 

It's your opinion, not a fact. Tyson was stopped more times than Louis by the way.

Tyson lost to McBridge, I'm sure Ali and Louis would do better.

 

Question raised is could they? I certainly think they could considering I rank both above Holyfield I don’t see it as improbable. I would favor Tyson at the fighters current weight but had they access to PEDs like Tyson and Holy Id make Marciano a clear favorite and Charles a Toss up. Key to beating tyson is lasting six rounds and controlling distance something both fighters did very well.

 

Well you've definitely gone full method on here in the part of a silly fecker pal. So I fully believe you could do a Daniel Day-Lewis as Lennox Lewis easy peasy lemon squeezy.

 

Foot speed varies due to technique improvement, fight weight and training, the chin stays roughly the same in your early 20's. It only gets a bit stronger in your 30s.

 

By way better opposition and when he wasn't prepared or in his prime anymore.
Someone like Schmelling couldn't have KOd a young Tyson even if they fought a million times.

When he was completely washed up, didn't train and was a drug and alcohol addict.