Why was did Roy Jones Jr. decline dramatically after the Tarver rematch fight?

His chin wasn’t as bad as people make out.

Most LHW’s would have been levelled by that shot that Tarver landed. Even guys with renowned great chins.

 

As I already said, Roy was weight drained for the first Tarver fight.He had no weight issue in the 2nd Tarver fight.It seems you agree. I agree with the rest of your post

 

He re-weighed in at 199 pounds, minus 3 pounds for clothing. You’re looking at around 196 pounds unless you don’t believe what Mackie Shilstone claims. Thomas Hauser reported it at the time. He then got got down to about 185 pounds, then dehydrated the rest for the weigh-in in order to hit 175. He then rehydrated by 10 pounds to weigh 185 pounds in the ring. He was 185 on HBO scales.

How am I cherry picking exactly?

None of the fighters you have mentioned burnt actual muscle in a very short span of time.

Burning fat and burning muscle are completely different things.

You have evidence.

You have 4 lots of evidence and the opinion of a respected sports scientist/strategist.

Mackie Shilstone says that he told Roy to either stay at HW or have a prolonged break from the sport. He told him that it was dangerous to try and lose the muscle to drop back to LHW in such a short space of time. He strongly advised him against it. He says it can effect the immune system. Mackie was with him for the Ruiz fight and the Tarver rematch. But he wasn’t with him for the first Tarver fight, because he didn’t agree with what he was doing.

 

The point is, according to Shilstone, the damage had already been done.

 

11 pound difference—>five water, three fat, three muscle.

The juice that he was likely on would cause water retention and his body fat percentage was higher for Ruiz.

 

Again I only see a weight issue for Tarver I.If Shilstone sees it differently, I do no agree with him

 

I want to add. some fighters change. Jones sort of kept slipping. He did not change. Hearns got more defensive and put his hands up more and became a better inside fighters after the first Barkley fight. He was not as fast or effective, but he kept himself relevent with that left to the body. Duran is another one, yet he didn't change stylistically as Hearns did. I don't think Duran was knocked out by Tommy because of a flaw he hadso he didn't have to really change anything, Hearns was just quick in that fight.. So he really just took that two year break and came back and fought well and regroup with almost less expectation which helped him. Tommy changed the flaw and how he got a little slower and turned more inside. Donald Curry didn't adjust like Hearns or Duran and just declined each time. To be able to fight on after a knockout and learn is a great thing in boxing. Tyson did not improve after Douglas, yet Foreman did after his first career. Everyone is different. Spinks is a guy whom we did not see how he would have done after losing. Something tells me that loss would have been followed by more losses.

 

What are you talking about?

196 pounds with a low percentage of body fat, down to 175, is a difference of 21 pounds.

Even if you don’t believe he was 196, he still had to dehydrate to 175.

He was around 185, before dehydrating to 175.

He then rehydrated back up to 185 pounds.

He didn’t only lose 3 pounds of muscle.

Go and look at the difference in his physiques.

He was absolutely solid for Ruiz. Significantly bigger than what he was against Tarver.

 

I understand what you’re saying.

There were no visible signs of him being exhausted in the rematch. But then it was only a 2 round fight. But what Mackie said, was that the initial weight loss had damaged him prior, where it can effect a fighters immune system and punch resistance etc.

 

Dude, put OCD aside and stop posting. Light heavy Roy fought in the mid 180s. Heavyweight Roy fought in the mid 190s and carried about 1.5 percent more bodyfat. Roy would’ve gained significant water weight by bulking.

 

I’ve already told you that for most of his fights at LHW, Roy weighed in the low 180’s on fight night. And again, in the fights where he came in under the 175 limit, he didn’t even weigh that.

Yes, he weighed 185 in the ring against Tarver, after rehydrating back up from the weigh-in.

Go and look at his physiques against Tarver and Ruiz.

He didn’t just lose 3 pounds of muscle to get back to LHW.

Stop being silly.

 

If Jones put on 20lb of muscle for Ruiz, he did not do it without drugs. Period.

 

Tarver’s eyes were closed when he threw the ko punch

 

Haven't watched the Johnson KO, so can't really comment on that. But in some case all it takes is one serious trauma to the brain to seriously reduce punch resistance. Anyhow, just looking at the Tarver KO, nothing about that suggests a weak chin to me. If you take a punch like that while off balance, you're done. That's about it.

 

It depends on who he is getting nailed from.