the great Tyson Fury is a 2 time champion, going back 5 years, and still has ZERO title defenses

Well said man!

You can like him or hate him, but i dont get it why sill ppl deny he IS the lineal champ.

To start a new lineage is not to have a new undisputed, it comes along when the nr. 1 faces the nr. 2, and this did happen in 2009 when Nr. 1 Wlad faced Nr. 2 Chagaev.
And if you dont see it that way, then it came DEFINATLEY together in 2013 when Nr. 1 Wlad deafeated Nr. 2 Povetkin.
Povetkin was without a doubt the Nr. 2 HW on the planet in late 2013, he held the regular WBA title and back in the day it was still a worthy title, today not anymore.

So Wlad was the lineal champ since 2009 or 2013.


There is a reason why ONLY ONE MAN in Boxing (HW) history was able to win the lineal title 3 times, and thats Ali.
And this cements why he is the leading cadidate for being the HW GOAT.

 

Fury was also popped for Nandrolone in February of '15 and caught a 2-year doping ban. That's the real reason he was MIA.
https://apnews.com/article/becaf03dcfa84f89bbdcaf95acb38a9c

 

He defended it four of the six times against: Sefer Seferi, Francesco Pianeta, Tom Schwarz, Otto Wallin.

I don’t know if the fact that Wallin cut and battered Fury a bit before losing speaks more about Wallin being under rated or Fury being over rated.

Anyways, Stellar opposition (sarcasm) for the lineal! heavyweight champion. Maybe if he didn’t fight bums so often and showed the lineal title the respect it deserves we wouldn’t have threads like this one.

 

Fury is the GOAT

Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Liston, Louis, Marciano, Lennox, M.Tyson, Holyfield, Dempsey, Johnson, Klits, Frazier.

You name it they do not have a chance.

273 pounds
6'8"
Southpaw
Orthodox
Inside
Outside
Hands behind the back

However they want it they can get it.

 

what's a title defense? what makes a title defense vs let's say pulev better than a fight defending nothing vs undefeated wilder? (just an example, forget those names)

title defense meant "better oponent". Meant, in the past. Now a title defense means ****.

Probably there are a lot of things to blame fury for, but I'm sure one of them is not not defending a piece of plastic. At least I dont care about plastic, specially since there are 4 pieces of plastic, there is not even one single piece of plastic but many. F the plastic, man, give me the fights.

 

Did Wilder & Wlad prove their worth with their many titles defences?

LEL

No they just knocked over little fat men and AJ got knocked out by a little fat man. Then took credit for bieng a 2-time champ because he had to win (Fury's) belts back.

 

If Aj hasn't proven anything by your measure than what on gods earth has Fury proven? I like fury alot and I think he's the best heavyweight but I don't understand where the bravado from his fans come from. If Wilder is trash then all Fury has done is outpoint a faded wlad playing spoiler for 12 rounds

 

But the guy was 400lb of quivering jellyfish and came back to KO Wilder. That is worth a few defences against faded has beens.

 

Cool

 

Actually Riddick Bowes title defenses Do tell the story. I think they accurately reflect his true ability and his management's confidence in him. I think Holyfield was a stylistic godsend for him, there is a reason why he avoided every single other threat in the division. There is no excuse for Ferguson Buster Mathis and Dokes.

Holyfield came off a loss and heart problems and took on Bowe Moorer and Ray Mercer back to back. Later he took Tyson twice and Moorer in 1 year! Lewis twice and 12 round war with ruiz in 1 year.

Tyson took on Tucker Biggs Tubbs Holmes and Spinks in 12 months! Razor ruddock twice in 3 months!!!



That being said if Fury beats Joshua as well then he can retire and be a lock in for top 10 arguably even top 5. He would have beaten the most relevant heavyweights of the last 15 years without a loss, the draw(win imo) vs wilder after losing 100+lbs was unheard of. Any other win against contenders at that point would only be a marginal addition to his legacy.

 

Beating Joshua won't make him top 5 ATG at HW. Top 15-20 maybe.
Especially if Fury beats him and AJ gets KTFOed by some new prospect like Hrgovic.
Or Fury himself gets knocked out after besting AJ.

 

Realistically if fury retires undefeated after beating AJ then he's top 10. If Joshua loses he's not fighting a Hrgovic or anyone like that for a while so honestly this unification fight has huge historical significance. Yes the HW division has been dreadful for the last 20 years but Tyson fury would CLEARLY be the top dog of that time period having dethroned the last kingpin and then disposed of his rivals while being an underdog against Klitschko and both times vs Wilder.
Ali did that against liston and then years later after the exile against Frazier and foreman(fury would have done so without a loss but Ali would have had much stiffer competition between the big fights)
Now it's way premature to put Fury on mount Rushmore next to Ali but beating Klitschko Wilder and Joshua is really all he could have done in that space of time, there is no other historically significant win left and imo complaining about the easy in between fights is nitpicking as long as he wins the "legacy fights"

 

No, he isn't.
There are no fighters with such a weak resume at top 10 ATG HW.
As I said, victory over AJ might not even be highly rated if AJ loses multiple fights to other fighters after Fury.
At this point Fury is a favorite to beat AJ, but nobody would be surprised if he loses.
Now, Fury is rated on the same level as Bowe, just like people here are saying.

 

I am always going to be a fan, but I have to admit that the Kabayel debacle has really put me off. He brags about what great shape he is staying in, claims he needs a fight this year for his mental health, gets everyone excited, and then it doesn't happen because the money is not right for him.

Everyone else is taking a haircut these days, and he can't do it for an easy fight that he called for?

Copy that. I am still a fan, but as a fan, I am not going to carry any water for him, either.

 

Champion for 5 years with 0 title defenses yet he fought more top 10 fighters than that one guy with 10 title defenses.

Shows how little simple statistics mean.