Watching documentaries about PEDs in Olympics and Baseball on netflix

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  1. Tyson379

    Tyson379 Active Member Full Member

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    It’s sooooooo easy to get away with. The testing system sucks at all levels. You just take low doses of HgH and testerone on days you know you can’t be tested/other techniques of cycling that make detection literally impossible unless the fighter is stupid and doesn’t listen to the doctors instructions of when to take it which is the few unintelligent guys that get caught.

    Literally the entire Russian Olympic team had their samples modified which is another horrible part of the testing system as the data can easily be modified. It’s just easy to get away with, it’s that simple.


    Anthony Joshua and Canelo literally have the most unnatural physique that is clearly a sign of PEDs. And that is just two names in which I believe all the top fighters are on roids.
     
  2. tinman

    tinman VIP Member Full Member

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    The most hilarious part of it all is that when a fighter like Canelo gets busted and tests positive they just go ahead and continue juicing like they were before. Canelo is obviously on the sauce. And everybody knows it and everybody knows he's continuing to juice, but nobody does anything about it.
     
  3. gerryb

    gerryb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So what you are saying is at top level sport it becomes a battle of the chemists? Man i lose faith when i read this sort of stuff. Surely theres guys out there that dont.
     
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  4. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    This has been the issue for so many years, decades even, that I'm surprised the knowledge about this is on such a low level.
    Sometimes I think it's more about denial, as anything else.
    I still read things like "yeah, he tested negative the last couple of tests, so he's definitely off the juice!" :duh
    It's usually the guys that just dope like there's no tomorrow (80's and 90's style) that get caught, like Big Pharma Miller. And then once every blue moon, someone who doses on a scedule and knows when, what and how much to use, like Canelo, the Fury's and probably Joshua.
     
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  5. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm a depressing realist in that I always knew these guys get away with whatever they like. Too many times where even the guys who are caught get away with it way too easily, which only goes to show how corrupt the system is altogether.
     
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  6. Tyson379

    Tyson379 Active Member Full Member

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    My biggest problem with it is that there are fighters you like and watch all their interviews and they try to pull up all these motivational things but they are lying to everyone about their success. They must also be severely narcissistic to be doing so while not caring about the lying.

    Russia literally had state sponsored doping for the olympics. One doctor testified on this documentary, who he now is in the witness protection program, that he knows on a personal level at least 50 percent of the Atheletes who won medals at the Winter Olympics in 2014 were doping with his techniques. Russia also modified the drug samples of every single athelete in that olympics utilizing KGB or whatever the modern day Russian agents are now. It’s amazing how corrupt sports truly are beyond judges scorecards.
     
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  7. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Watching mainstream documentaries regarding doping and sport is quite pointless because it's so superficial.

    Anti-doping policy and governance is ineffective and corruption is widespread, so doping in sport is rife and 99.9% of instances will never see the light of day.

    Most sports fans are so naive. Most hate "dopers" but will still wear their Nike t-shirts, trainers and what not. The truth is that your favourite athlete is a doper.

    Athletes of the highest level can afford the most sophisticated "medical outfits" and "sports doctors", with comfort in the fact that associated corporations, as I have already mentioned, will have their back if (almost) anything were to go wrong.

    Look at Lance Armstrong. One of, if not the, greatest athlete in history. You'd have to be handicapped to think that Nike were not in on what was happening. However, Floyd Landis ensured that Lance's reputation was irreparably damaged and Nike dropped him like a sack of potatoes. There have been numerous instances regarding Nike since.

    Have you ever wondered why boxers don't seem to hold grudges against (fellow) dopers? Have you ever wondered why sporting governing bodies will not consider standardising the carbon isotope ratio test?
     
  8. jaytxxl

    jaytxxl Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What’s even more crazy is Victor Conte and Memo Heredia is banned from baseball and Olympic sports but somehow are allowed to affiliate themselves with boxers. These guys were literally apart of BALCO that created formulas that were undetected by drug testing organizations and was only caught because Jose Conseco was broke and wrote a book exposing the culture..

    Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire, Shane Mosley etc.. never failed a drug test despite being heavily tested. That’s why EVERY boxer that has worked with these guys should have their career as a clean fighter questioned (Ward, Andrade, Donaire, JMM etc..)
     
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  9. Robney

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    One major issue that always seems to be forgotten or glanced over is levels of doping though.
    Who takes what and how much from it, what are real life benefits in their respective sports, and benefit how long after taking it?
    And the idea of everyone in high level sports taking something, is just as naïve as thinking it's only a small portion cheats. You just didn't think things trough enough, and/or missed out on information about sporters and teams that were caught and the stories behind it.

    There have been issues where sporters got busted after a sudden peak in performance out of the blue, or a huge body change within a short amount of time. Sometimes these athletes didn't get caught, but everyone just knew or they were mentioned in some of the later scandals. Some of these went up and never came down, as they got their spike in performance, build, power, speed, stamina etc from the juice and from the juice alone. HGH and some steroids are such PED's that the person taking them often benefit a huge amount of time from them, so even if they get caught they can sit out their ban (if they get one) and come back better as ever before.

    The issues are huge. Fair play is hardly possible in some sports, but sometimes talent can still overcome cheating.
     
  10. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not kidding, it's a stated goal of mine to create a whole host of new performance enhancing drugs to sell to athletes and bodybuilders because there's so much money in it.
     
  11. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

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    Barry Bonds did test positive for steroids but his lawyers managed to get the test inadmissible
     
  12. Thread Stealer

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    I’ve already accepted that widespread PED use are probably just part of sports at elite levels, and has been for awhile. It is what it is.

    When I hear about an athlete getting caught, I’m not surprised that they used, I’m surprised they got caught.
     
  13. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Drugs will eventually be replaced by gene editing. Chinese are already using gene editing on humans only a matter of time before we have a slew of super human Chinese athletes that will pass every urine and blood test because they've been enhanced not by drugs but by editing their genes.
     
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    007 373 5963 Active Member Full Member

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    That's pretty interesting. But is there any proof of this? Are we truly at "jurassic park" levels of manipulation?
     
  15. Lazar

    Lazar Boxing Addict Full Member

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    CIR test would bust all of them however there is a reason it’s rarely tested for. No one truly wants steroidless sports.