the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

I scored this one a while back myself. It is a crazy fight I gave Green the first 3 rounds and I even gave Green the 3rd as a 10-8 because of how badly hurt Mugabi was. From there I gave Mugabi rounds 4,5,7, and 8 and Green rounds 6 and 9. I had it 86-84 for Green going into the 10th. This fight destroyed for me the myth that Mugabi was some sort of middlewight Mike Tyson before he ran into Hagler. Mugabi was really close to getting stopped in that 3rd round. It showed me that Mugabi was always a fighter with blatant vulnerabilities and that his chin was not granite before Hagler.

 

Chan-Hee Park vs. Alberto Morales (4/13/80)
PPPPPPmPPPPPPmP (148-137 Park)

If I told you that some Korean YouTube channel uploaded a video of Park defending his title against a Mexican fighter, you might actually think the time had come, but it's just this one against Alberto Morales, 31 years old and with only two fights left in him. Morales was a contemporary and domestic rival of Miguel Canto, with their third fight one of Canto's most important victories at the national level. After two losses to Canto in Merida, the second one supposedly controversial, Morales publicly questioned why he couldn't get a fight with Canto outside of Canto's hometown. This led to a rematch in Mexico City that Canto won quite handily, which earned him the title shot that kicked off his long reign. Interesting that both men broke in at world level in 1973 against Betulio Gonzalez (here's Gonzalez vs. Morales highlights) and exited it with a failed challenge of Chan-Hee Park six years later. Those were Morales's only world title fights; Canto had a few in between.

In this fight Morales mostly jabbed and moved, and Park didn't have much trouble catching him. He chased Morales around the ring with the jab and caught him with wide right hands when Morales circled to his left. Morales just didn't have the speed or reflexes to do anything about it. Knowing the result, I was wondering how Morales lasted the distance, but around the sixth Park began to slow down. Whether it was fatigue, boredom, or mercy I don't know, but that's part of the story with Park. He was prone to doing stuff like dropping his hands for no reason at all. The fight became pretty boring after this, and the ref had to give them multiple warnings to actually do something. One of those came in the fifteenth, when Morales, hopelessly behind, decided to do some dancing. I gave him two rounds, which was kinder than any of the three judges was, although Boxrec has the Korean judge scoring eight even rounds (lol no). Of note was that they showed Shoji Oguma watching the fight from a ringside seat. He had a title shot for 40 days after this.

 

Daniel Zaragoza v Paul Banke 1

Terrific fight between the ageless Zaragoza and his future rival. This was an excellent battle in which I thought Zaragoza largely controlled the fight on the outside but Banke had his moments when they traded and hurt El Raton more than he was hurt himself.

Two of the three judges had it much clearer for Zaragoza than I did but I can it see it wider than I had it as most of the rounds I gave to Banke were close ones. I can't see a Banke win here as the other judge had it, even with the knockdown - Zaragoza controlled too much of the action and had I not been scoring it, I'm sure this would have felt like a clearer win on the cards. But that's why we score fights.

1 10-9 (good opening round)
2 10-9 (excellent work from Zaragoza - good body punching and bouncing in and out of range to land his shots. Banke swings and misses)
3 10-9 (closer. Some good exchanges)
4 9-10 (Banke's best round so far. He landed the more precise punches. Zaragoza is cut)
5 10-9 (this is a war. Zaragoza outlanding amd outworking Banke)
6 10-9 (Zaragoza controlling the fight)
7 9-10 (close. Banke just about edged it with what I think were the harder punches. Either way kind of round)
8 9-10 (close again. Banke had the better of the first half of the round and again landed the bigger shots before Zaragoza went back to boxing and controlled the second half of the round)
9 8-10 (big moment as Banke puts Zaragoza down and lands some big follow up punches. Banke has evened the fight up with that round)
10 10-9 (what a warrior! Zaragoza comes back hard to take the lead again)
11 9-10 (close)
12 10-9
Zaragoza 114-113 Banke

 

George, I watched this today and then checked history on this site, and lo and behold, you hit this a few months back.

Bobby Czyz v Prince Charles Williams I

Round 1: 10-9 Czyz
Round 2: 10-8 Czyz (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-8 Czyz (scores a knockdown)
Round 4: 10-9 Williams
Round 5: 10-9 Williams
Round 6: 10-9 Williams
Round 7: 10-9 Williams
Round 8: 10-9 Williams
Round 9: 10-9 Williams
Round 10: Czyz not allowed out of the corner

Total through 9 completed rounds: 85-84 Williams (actual scores: 85-85 Even and an 89-83, 88-84 both for Williams)

Yes, George, you and I had it exact. Dalby Shirley's 85-85 was also in the realm of reality. But I don't get the other two scores. This was cookbook scoring as far as I'm concerned, where there was a solid victor in each round. Oh, well.

I loved this fight. Two fast combatants firing sizzling combos and sharp blows in a scheduled 15 rounder. You gotta love it. Williams was such a worthy challenger at the time as opposed to some of the 25-0 charlatans that appear as 'challenger' today. I mean, you look at them today with absolutely no one of note on their record who hardly know how to hold their hands that have been obviously steered into a title fight that they have no chance of winning. It's like playing the long ball in soccer, just hoping to catch the champ with a lucky punch. Williams was 21-4-2 going into this fight, but was USBA champ and had already been in the ring with Marvin Johnson and Jeff Lampkin (twice). He was ready and proved himself. I'll give Bobby full credit for really fighting his heart out in the 8th and 9th knowing his title was slipping away. Excellent fight.

 

Francisco Vargas v Orlando Salido

Wow. This was just an unrelenting brawl with both fighters having their moments to shine but neither buckling under the immense pressure they were both putting on each other.

I had it close throughout and have a drawn card as did two of the three judges. One or two points either way for either fighter would be reasonable though so the judge who had Vargas by two wasn't wildly off base. Love a great fight where the judges get it right.

Standout rounds? All of them were excellent but 5, 6, 10 and 11 were insane. Just a great, great fight.

1 10-9
2 10-10
3 9-10
4 9-10
5 10-9 (close. Great stuff - continual trading)
6 10-9 (Amazing action. Vargas seems to stun Salido on a couple of occasions. Salido still comes back hard)
7 9-10 (close - more awesome action)
8 9-10 (excellent round for Salido who appeared to stun Vargas)
9 10-9 (close again)
10 10-9 (relentless)
11 10-10 (both fighters took their turn to beat on each other)
12 9-10 (Salido with the stronger finish)

Vargas 115-115 Salido

 

Pernell Whitaker v Wilfredo Rivera I

Always heard about the controversial decision in this fight and thought I would check it out, although I probably saw it live but just not recalling.

Round 1: 10-9 Whitaker
Round 2: 10-9 Whitaker
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Rivera
Round 5: 10-9 Whitaker
Round 6: 10-9 Rivera
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Whitaker
Round 9: 10-9 Rivera
Round 10: 10-9 Rivera
Round 11: 10-9 Rivera
Round 12: 10-9 Rivera

Total: 116-114 Rivera (actual scores: 116-113 Rivera and two scores of 115-113 and 117-112 both for Whitaker for a split win)

Harold Lederman's score of this fight was 115-113 for Rivera, but we had about 3 rounds differing. Still, Rivera should feel bruised and it wasn't from Whitaker's punches. He won that fight. Two other of our posters scored this fight. Sweet Scientist had it a draw and McGrain also scored it for Rivera. So there is a definite controversy there if anyone wants to check it out.

 

I totally agree.

 

Ive been watching a lot of Daniel Zaragoza recently. The other night I watched his rematch with Joichiro Tatsuyoshi. This was Zaragoza's last win before Morales retired him and its a great watch. Here is my score.

Daniel Zaragoza vs Joichiro Tasuyoshi II
Round 1: 9-10
Round 2: 10-9 (19-19)
Round 3: 10-9 (29-28 Zaragoza)
Round 4: 9-10 (38-38)
Round 5: 10-9 (48-47 Zaragoza)
Round 6: 10-10 (58-57 Zaragoza)
Round 7: 10-9 (68-66 Zaragoza)
Round 8: 9-10 (77-76 Zaragoza)
Round 9: 10-9 (87-85 Zaragoza)
Round 10: 10-9 (97-94 Zaragoza)
Round 11: 9-10 (106-104 Zaragoza)
Round 12: 8-10 (Final score: 114-114 Draw) Zaragoza looses a point for throwing Tatsuyoshi down to the canvas if im not mistaken.



I also watched his third fight with Paul Banke. Compared to their first two fights, this one leaves a lot to be desired. Firstly, theres not as much action as in the first two fights though this fight still has its moments. Also Banke kept spitting out his mouth piece whenever he was the slightest bit tired and the ref did not do anything about it. That was kinda frustrating. Anyways, heres my score.

Daniel Zaragoza vs Paul Banke III
Round 1: 10-9
Round 2: 9-10 (19-19)
Round 3: 10-9 (29-28 Zaragoza)
Round 4: 10-9 (39-37 Zaragoza)
Round 5: 10-9 (49-46 Zaragoza)
Round 6: 10-9 (59-55 Zaragoza)
Round 7: 9-10 (68-65 Zaragoza)
Round 8: 10-9 (78-74 Zaragoza)
Round 9: 9-10 (87-84 Zaragoza)
Round 10: 10-9 (97-93 Zaragoza)
Round 11: 10-9 (107-102 Zaragoza)
Round 12: 9-10 (Final Score: 116-112 Zaragoza)

 

Decided to watch a couple of Junior Jones fights. He had a mix of aggression, dangerous punching power and vulnerability that made him fun to watch.

Junior Jones v Marco Antonio Barrera 1

I always thought of Junior Jones as a bit like a miniature Thomas Hearns - a guy who could box and punch but was vulnerable himself. In terms of the former traits, this is a great example. He was denied the stoppage win here on a technicality of Barrera's handlers entering the ring but Barrera wasn't going to recover from that right hand he took - it was a beauty and the referee was stopping it at the point Barrera's corner got involved.

1 9-10
2 10-9 (close)
3 9-10 (good round)
4 9-10
(37-39)
5 Jones TKO/DQ Barrera
(the official result was a DQ because of rhe cornermen entering the ring but the ref was stopping it already I think)

Erik Morales v Junior Jones

Short and fun fight in which the always- dangerous Jones starts well but has his major weakness exposed by the (in my opinion) second-best super bantamweight in history.

1 10-9
2 9-10 (close)
3 10-9
(29-28)
4 Morales TKO Jones
(Jones down and then rocked in the follow up by Morales)

 

Carmen Basilio v Gil Turner

Excellent and very competitive fight - that competitiveness is not reflected in my scorecard, though. The judges in this one couldn't decide - one had it 7-2 in rounds (as I did) to Basilio, another had it a closer 5-3 and the other had it 5 rounds apiece, which I think is overly generous to Turner. Not that he didn't have his moments and I did make half of the rounds close, but the rounds I scored for Basilio I was more confident in giving to him. He kept the momentum up throughout and I thought his punches were having a little more impact than Turner's.

1 10-9
2 9-10 (close)
3 10-9 (close)
4 10-9
5 10-9
6 9-10 (close)
7 10-9 (close)
8 10-10 (good back and forth)
9 10-9
10 10-9

Basilio 98-93 Turner

 

@Jel , here's how I had it just a while ago. Superb fight.

 

I think I've seen every Frankie Warren fight that has been televised including his fights with Ronnie Shields and Roberto Elizondo that are not yet on youtube and I can't get enough of him. For lack of anything better to do I rewatched his second fight with Buddy McGirt, which I thought back in the day that the fight would be a rout like their first fight. Couldn't have been more wrong.

Buddy McGirt v Frankie Warren II

Round 1: 10-9 McGirt
Round 2: 10-9 McGirt
Round 3: 10-9 Warren
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 McGirt (the timekeeper rang the bell one minute early)
Round 6: 10-9 McGirt
Round 7: 10-9 McGirt
Round 8: 10-8 McGirt (scores a knockdown)
Round 9: 10-9 McGirt (the vid I watched cut to the next round with 55 seconds to go)
Round 10: 10-9 McGirt
Round 11: 10-9 McGirt
Round 12: The referee stops the contest in favor of McGirt

Total though 11 rounds: 109-100 McGirt (actual scores: 109-99, 107-101 and 110-99 all for McGirt)

It would be easy to say McGirt just had a better battle plan and execution this time around, but having gorged on Warren I can tell you he was flat in this fight. McGirt did fight a very good fight darting in and out while pot-shotting but Frankie's smoke was sorely missing. His style was not meant for a long career and he was starting to fizzle. I should note that the timekeeper error in the 5th round was costly to Warren. I won't go so far as the announcers (the fright doctor) who said McGirt was hurt, but Frankie had just nailed him with a terrific left hook and had him against the ropes. That kind of situation was Frankie's bread and butter as he was terrific at following up when a fighter was distressed. And that moment was taken from him. Lou Duva was working Warren's corner. Man, I can only imagine the holy hell he would've raised if he realized the round was a minute short interrupting Frankie's momentum.

 

Carmen Basilio v Sugar Ray Robinson 1

So happy that this is the full fight. The first round is shortened but it has always been in the footage I've seen of it before.

I thought this fight could be split in two - the first half was close all the way, Basilio on the front foot and rushing Robinson with mixed success while Robinson moved smoothly on the back foot working the jab for the most part.

The second half was Basilio came on more and Robinson tired a bit, but planted his feet a bit more and the two fighters exchanged more freely.

Obviously this was a great win for Basilio but I was surprised how good Robinson looked in this fight - for a guy who was 37, he still moved fantastically well. It was only in the final third that his age probably caught up with him.

1 10-9 (incomplete round. Basilio the aggressor)
2 9-10
3 10-9
4 9-10
5 10-9
6 9-10
7 10-9 (this is nip and tuck all the way so far)
8 9-10 (Robinson continues to move well and control from the outside with the jab)
9 10-9 (Basilio throwing to fhe body more this round)
10 10-9 (good round for Basilio who is landing more regularly now)
11 10-9 (Robinson unloads a nice volley of punches on Basilio; Basilio responds by pummeling a tiring Robinson against the ropes)
12 9-10 (good round from Robinson. He seemed to hurt Basilio and landed some hard hooks)
13 10-10 (Basilio seemed like he had the edge until a late round flurry from Robinson that appear to stun Carmen a bit)
14 9-10 (close)
15 10-9 (close)

Basilio 144-142 Robinson

8-6 in rounds to Basilio with 1 even

 

Think I'm ready for a boxing binge again, the focus is Gennady Golovkin.

Fight 1: Golovkin vs Nunez

1: ko

Golovkin announces himself on the world scene by destroying Nunez for an interim title. Not sure why this fight was sanctioned, neither boxer had done much of anything in the lead up to this fight, but sanctioned it was.

Golovkin comes out very raw, little defence and a lot of brute force power.

He looks crisp, but not deadly accurate. He cuts through Nunez like a knife through butter.

How was this a full decade ago.