Canelo fights fixed?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Mark Liang, Dec 20, 2020.

  1. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2017
    Messages:
    8,958
    Likes Received:
    13,170
    Yep, Smith hasn't looked good against decent opposition for a while now. He was good against Groves and Ndam. Personally I thought he looked awesome on his way up but when he reached 'world' level, he really wasn't up to it.
     
  2. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2019
    Messages:
    9,461
    Likes Received:
    12,114
    Nah Smith was just schooled. I was suspect of the Kovalev fight though, it's not like he's afraid of trading with power punchers that much considering he's gone all out on bigger punchers before in his career. That and the fact that he was finding the mark with his jab a lot and yet didn't put any sting on it like is his trademark. Unlike Smith he wasn't being discouraged from throwing that much because he did have his timing down so for him not to capitalise like usual was bizarre and Canelo was not countering that effectively in the fight, don't know where that narrative has come from.
    Also when he said after the fight that he was never going to win the fight and cryptically insinuated he came to lay down and take the paycheck.
    If it wasn't outright fixed, then Kov just didn't come to win.
     
    cuchulain and BCS8 like this.
  3. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg @paulmillsfitness Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2017
    Messages:
    3,420
    Likes Received:
    6,403
    Canelo is an elite ATG in his prime. Kov and Smith were not. Not so hard to figure out really.
     
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2020
    acie2g, TheMotorCityCobra and Hussle like this.
  4. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2005
    Messages:
    58,748
    Likes Received:
    21,565
    I must admit, those fights looked weird.
    Big guys like Kovalev and Smith basically found to be mostly pitty-pat backpedaling types.
     
  5. Hussle

    Hussle Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2019
    Messages:
    141
    Likes Received:
    156
    Canelo hits very hard and is just as hard to hit. Nothing fixed about it.
     
    pacas likes this.
  6. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2004
    Messages:
    29,663
    Likes Received:
    36,377
    I am SHOCKED, yes SHOCKED to read that ANYONE would insinuate that judges would give any advantage at all to the
    biggest cash cow in boxing. SHOCKED. I'm Adelaide Byrd, and I stand by my convictions.
     
  7. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2018
    Messages:
    4,320
    Likes Received:
    5,078
    After GGG his fights do look fixed. Possibly because his opponents are not given an opportunity for a proper training camp and they are just not prepared/out of shape.
     
    Quina74 likes this.
  8. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2013
    Messages:
    36,270
    Likes Received:
    33,086
    Fixed? FFS have a week off.


    I'll say this about Kovalev, he had a quick turnaround after Yarde and there were reports he was hammering the beer and going a little rogue.

    Also, Kovalev had been in tough fights, wear and tear and wasn't what he was a while ago and he still was well in the fight before he got stopped.



    Smith is a myth (I love a rhyme), go and look at his resume and tell me his best 3 wins, then come back and tell me he was some kind of monster.

    Groves is his best win and Groves has spoken on this, he takes nothing away from Smith but the fact is his shoulder was pretty much done, Groves was fighting with half a shoulder.

    Other than Groves, who has Smith beat? Rocky Fielding? Ryder gave him terrors, he was dragged 10 rounds by Luke Blackledge, great KO but still 10 rounds.

    What has Smith done to warrant this kind of reaction to his defeat, like he was some elite fighter that didn't perform, Smith has never and will never be elite.
     
    Heisenberg, pacas and gollumsluvslave like this.
  9. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2004
    Messages:
    70,908
    Likes Received:
    27,367
    Hmmm. Whether I agree or not, I can see where youre coming from. Good response.

    I would just add, sometimes fighters fight like that because theyre nervous they will run out of gas... and their attempts to pace themselves isnt pulled off well and instead it just looks like theyre not trying (or sometimes trying but appear to be holding back... because they are). Maybe he was a bit drained and due to the short camp didnt trust his stamina.

    Also, he could have an undisclosed injury he didnt mention because he didnt want to ruin his payday.

    I just think there are so many explanations and variables that are much more plausible than jumping to overt felony fight fixing, imo.
     
  10. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2004
    Messages:
    70,908
    Likes Received:
    27,367
    Very nice breakdown man.
     
    roughdiamond likes this.
  11. ARMAGEDDON

    ARMAGEDDON Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2015
    Messages:
    131
    Likes Received:
    85
    number one shows you dksab so no need to even read the rest I stopped at canelo had alil head movement canelo probably has a top 5 defense in boxing lol
     
  12. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    15,371
    Likes Received:
    8,773
    I was very suspect of the Kovalev fight. Still am. This one not so much
     
    ShovelHook and cuchulain like this.
  13. Malph

    Malph Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2007
    Messages:
    7,559
    Likes Received:
    11,208
    I agree with your points. Canelo is an excellent counter puncher.

    He is really good at taking advantage of the little openings created when a guy throws a punch at him.

    He is an accurate puncher with good power. Maybe not the greatest power but his accuracy is exceptional making his shots effective.

    He is a very good boxer at this point but I believe his counter punching ability really sets him apart.
     
    pacas and kirk like this.
  14. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2008
    Messages:
    29,132
    Likes Received:
    14,936
    The Kovalev fight looked weird to me. But then the KO happened. No way is anybody getting KO'd like that to throw a fight.
     
  15. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2008
    Messages:
    29,132
    Likes Received:
    14,936
    In what way? The ending makes that hard to believe. Before the ending, it looked odd, yeah.