What's the excuse for guys like Green (36 years old, Roy was 40) KO'ing him in one, and featherfisted Johnson (same age as Roy) knocking him out so brutally? Johnson KO'd him with a single shot and Roy was out cold. If that's not a glass chin, what is. If Roy had taken a lot of shots in his career I would give him more of a pass. But he hardly got hit, why was he so weak even at an old age? That's what I would expect from a war torn fighter but not Roy.
People don’t claim that Roy was drained beyond Tarver. We’ve discussed this before. Again, Mackie Shilstone has said that burning muscle can affect the bodies immune system. And a bad knockout can leave a weakness. Both of those things can affect a fighters punch resistance. Tarver hit him with a great shot. Again, how many other LHW’s could have taken that shot? I think that that great shot would have taken out most LHW’s and former SMW’s. The shot against Johnson didn’t look to be particularly hard, and for me, it was nowhere near as hard as the shot he’d taken from John Ruiz the previous year. And it also didn’t look as hard as the temple shot that Del Valle had landed 6 years earlier. The Johnson knockout was proof to me that something was seriously amiss. And the reports coming out of his camp, was that the ringside doctor had apparently said that he was severely dehydrated. The Green knockout was a TKO, after he’d caught Roy with a good right hand. The knockouts by Lebedev and Enzo would probably have knocked out any shot former MW-LHW who was in their 40’s.
Do you think that the shot landed by Johnson was harder than the one landed by Tarver? I don’t. Even though he couldn’t continue, he jumped back up from the shot by Tarver. The shot landed by Johnson wasn’t as hard as some other shots I’d seen him taken. There’s no way Johnson hit harder than John Ruiz.
Enzo vs Roy was a fight between two glass chinned, shot fighters. I mean, look at Enzo's list of KO losses by the time he fought Roy. Except Roy was far greater in his prime. Roy still got KO'd badly. If he actually had a good chin in his prime, which I don't believe, he has to be the biggest anomaly in boxing. What you said about the weight and the Tarver punch must have done a number on him that is not common at all in boxing. Never seen anything like it. Honestly, Roy's the worst old fighter ever out of great fighters. The Enzo fight proved it.
Outside of Khan and those mentioning RJJ, how about Jorge Linares? Stopped conclusively at at least three different weights.
There’s a world of difference between saying someone didn’t have a good chin, and saying that someone had a glass jaw. If Roy had’ve had a glass jaw, Del Valle, Ruiz and Tarver would have knocked him out. Obviously Tarver did, but if he’d have had a glass jaw, he’d have been out cold. He’d never have jumped up. People always say that Roy had a glass jaw due to the awful highlight reel knockouts that he suffered. But most people never apply the relevant context. Enzo’s knockout losses aren’t relevant. The only thing that’s relevant, is that if he had the opportunity to land flush on you, then most people were toast. Even a shot Enzo Mac could have knocked out most LHW’s and CW’s IF he’d have had the perfect opportunity to have landed flush. Go and look at the shots by Lebedev. What other former LHW was taking those, especially the final one? Roy didn’t get knocked out because he had a glass jaw. He got knocked out because of his vulnerabilities. Because he was open. Because he had a poor defence at that stage. Yes, both the weight loss and the Tarver knockout did do a number on him. Again, that’s what Mackie says. And how can we argue, when we know that he took harder shots than the one that Johnson landed on him? Going into the ring just 3 months after the Tarver loss must have had an effect on him. And again, apparently, the doctor said that he was severely dehydrated. If Johnson knocked him out cold without anything else at play, then you have to apply logic and common sense, and ask yourself why Del Valle, Ruiz and Tarver also didn’t knock him out cold too.
Linares...I always considered him as paper skinned and bruises easily but not necessary glass jawed. (unless we consider this the same? )
Roy relied on his reflexes too much. When they slowed down he started getting hit with shots that he didn't see coming anymore. This is in addition to everything else that has been discussed a million times before. Guys keep in mind that Roy loved to lay on the ropes let guys punch themselves out and fight off of them in the early 2000s. You can't do that with a glass jaw. I've seen all of his championship fights several times and imo he got hit enough that you can say he didn't have a glass jaw until the consecutive Tarver and Johnson losses. I fact I think he entered the Johnson fight concussed. He had no legs. NONE. He was literally missing coordination in his feet that he had just one fight earlier. And the bounce in his legs never, ever came back. He waddled like a penguin for the rest of his career, a sure sign of some sort of neurological damage.
Klitschko never had a China chin. Wasn’t great but not as weak as people believe. He took that monster uppercut from Joshua.
Nobody knocked out Jones till he was 35. Joshua is getting knocked out multiple times if he stays in the game that long.
