Does Larry Holmes use the true boxer stance? Marvin Cook breakdown - Does Fouts Boxing Theory work??

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Fouts studies Larry`s stance on this vid and states that fighters in Larry`s day had better fundamentals than today`s fighters do, were fighters in the early 80`s better than moddern heavies that are around today?
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    Does Larry Holmes use the true boxer stance? Marvin Cook
     
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  2. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Up to this point I have only watched a couple minutes and I will watch the rest. But so far...
    This Fouts guy is full of sh@t in many ways but not entirely. What he has done, he has created his own language to explain things and it makes him sound smarter than he is. He also has some skills in creating videos and people confuse that ability with knowing about boxing. He is not the only guy doing this.

    But then he catches me off guard. Because the way that Marvin Cook is demonstrating that right hand is just wrong and Fouts catches it...and for the right reason.
    We will pick it up again in a minute.
     
  3. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can't do more than a few minutes of that. He touches base in a couple spots but, at a fundamental level, Fouts is gibberish.
    He can go to a fitness class and run that line and sell it. In a real gym, with real fighters, he would get laughed out of the building.
     
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    greynotsoold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I should have read your post before I put another 6 minutes into that one.
     
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  5. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I'm 5 seconds in and confused about what Cook is doing with his right foot while he throws that punch (and on a lesser note, why he's throwing it at that angle).
     
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  6. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I discovered Marvin Cook just recently, and, for the first few minutes of the video I saw, what he said made sense. I teach an angled stance- is that the term?- and he uses the same analogies that I do.
    But when he got to the part where he is showing the right hand...in the video I saw, he said that, if you use your feet to get the right position, the right hand will take care of itself. Which is true.
    Then he did that and lost me. I watched several more of his videos and I don't see what he sees.
     
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  7. Pat M

    Pat M Active Member Full Member

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    Can't watch much of that, Fouts is making something complicated because he doesn't understand what he is teaching. Cook's move to the left consisted of moving his feet but not moving them the same distance, if he had he would not have ended up "squared." Guys like Fouts are trying to explain boxing by using lines and math, all he needed to say was, "if you move one foot 3",6", 9", etc., move the other one the same distance and you'll end up in the same position. If a fighter has a good stance, correct movement, etc., he can fight out of any of Fouts' "positions" and transition to them and out of them easily.
     
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  8. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That is a perfect explanation.
     
  9. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Where they get crossed up, boxing is a simple activity. Even the most 'advanced' move is just a couple of simple, basic things strung together. If you are doing something in such a way that it is strenuous and requires a ton of effort, be it physically or mentally, then you aren't doing it right.
    Boxing is all about gaining maximum results with a minimal expenditure of energy. It's like a mountain lion hunting.
    What separates fighters is the ability to think and plan and to set up situations that allow you to be successful.
     
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  10. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    The problem with Boxing is we are losing all the great teachers. Holmes had Futch, Arcel, and even Giachetti. Emanuel Steward is gone. These trainers have been replaced by a bunch of glorified pad holders and “fitness” gurus.
     
  11. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Most youtubers are full of crap about boxing, Fouts has far more knowledge, anyway who was the idiot that made the vid about Loma bending his knees?
     
  12. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Holmes looked insanely talented in the clips on Fouts vid, I was really impressed.