I will not discuss here anything about cards but about your claims that loma did not had skilled opponents. 1. You maybe are just Loma hater. or 2. You do not know about C level in boxing. are Linares and Campbell C level? Is from your opinion Garry Russel Jr C level? Then explain how he after fight with Loma for WBO tittle was capable to fight for WBC World tittle and had won this one. Is Lopez too C level?
It is normal. Casual fans demands This content is protected hero to worship and follow and when one product lost fight, they turn to next boxer. When Wilder lost, do you think he didn't lost a lot of fans? Yeah, it is normal process, combat sports fans are tribal and nationalistic. Lopez too will loss a lot of fans after he will get first L in pro record. Modern fans usually are not like fans in 1970 ies. . Most likely you had scored Loma vs Lopez fight 120-108.This too is normal for fan. I had scored this 7/5 for Lopez. journeymans? like with costume too heavy and these aging fighters in rings? I've had enough with boxers getting credit for beating late 30s/40s fighters. a lot of boxers have a fair share of late 30s and 40 yos and its also unacceptable and a disgrace. Like A.J vs Pulev, old versions of Klitshko and Povetkin. hometown officiating in fight vs Parker. Large ring in saudi. Replacement panda gave him a lot of problems. 40 y.o slow Ortiz for Wilder. Supposedly ring rusty Fury picked up. Props for Hunter, he at least had prime version of Usyk in the ring, the same Tabiti and Dorticos too had fought not old boxers and top guys in their division.
I felt Loma lost 7-5 had he won the 12th i would of had it a draw. Having said that, the cards look like they were filled out in advance. So yes he should be upset the cards were poor. On a side note do Europeans ever get the benefit of the doubt in a close match against their more marketable Western counterparts. Triple G 2x vs Canelo Kovalev vs Ward Fury vs Wilder 1 Loma vs Salido and Lopez Just to name a few. These guys are fighting an uphill battle with the judges all the time.
Dude, the casual fan knows nothing of record, nor do they care really. When the whole Manny and Floyd saga went on, I saw a huge amount of casual fans thinking Manny was undefeated. Manny became a superstar a while after he lost to Morales. Most of his fans had never seen him loose. And your argument holds little weight, considering the path De La Hoya had. He lost and lost again, yet was in bigger and bigger fights.
Really, check up posts before and after fights like Wilder vs Fury I, A.J vs Ruiz I AND AFTER these fights. You argue by using casual thing, manipulation technique. Instead of checking up everything: posts trend difference changes etc. I do not have any dreams that sensible arguments might have any weight in forums full with tribal and nationalistic fans. This is nature of psychology and it is noramal process when boxing fan does gave credit for beating up " geriartric " boxers and out of prime lads. Shenangians and nice judges cards, opponents with short notice, clauses and everything else might be accepted by majority of posters here, even horsemeat, hometown refs etc casual things. Like in western forums very big " weight " and proof to be hype job and exposed etc IF this is european, especially eastern european boxer is considered as PROOF that they are hype jobs. This suprisingly dos not happens with guys like Ali, Canelo etc. Ali fight with Norton had laughable judges cards and he had lost to Frazier. Does this have impact on his popularity? He still is more well known in the world than these modern boxers. Where there is difference: casual people, if they are not boxing fans, asked about " do you know boxer from U.S ? " usually had mentioned Ali. Yeah, especially ppl >35 y.o .
Bro, wtf? All I said that boxers don´t loose their fans just because they have losses on their records. And I said that casual fans know little about ones record.
Most debiolodistic posts here I had read after I had posted that Crawford should had get a count in fight vs Machine but he did not had get this. Yeah, and even if I agree that he had won this one and had won this one even if he had get this count with this was not enough. Majority of ppl in forums are tribal, hypocryte and nationalistic and gladly supports shenangians if they are this in in their favourites behalf. This is normal psychological process, no offense here. Huma psychology does work always. Like stupid giving credit to Salido because he, despite had lost belt on scales and refused to make weight, had won vs Loma on shenengians cards and with shenengian referee. Oh, yeah, hypocryte people are norm and predictable thing there. It is not professionally to loss belt on scales and refuse to attempt make weight. Still majority of eastern european boxers haters had congratulated Loma defeat even if he had been defeated in catchweight by 250 lber.
Yeah, looks that this Loma is a lot about belts and now looks scared: no clause in contract, no belts. Most likely he assumed that will get this just 1 belt from Lopez and will NOT gave Lopez a rematch. Lopez fooled him and outboxed him because Loma assumed that Lopez will definitely go for KO /TKO win. When Loma figured out his gameplan, it was too late. No clauses and no belts. 7/5. Lopez even started to like me, he is not Salido. If Loma had won this one, I doubt that he had gaven rematch chance to Lopez.
Well, if about HW boxing, even before WBC had been founded, first more internationally known ranking outside of U.S was "The Ring " boxing magazine since 1922 th. I will list '' The Ring " history. belt. 1 st: Dempsey. 2 nd : Tunney, both from U.S. 3 rd : Shmelling, Germany. 4 th: Sharkey (U.S). 5 th : Carnera ( Italy ). Then champs were : Baer, Braddock, Joe Louis, Charles, Walcott, Marciano, Patterson, next: Johanson ( Sweden ), then again US boxers in row : Patterson, Liston, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, then again Ali, Spinks, again Ali, Holmes, Spinks, Tyson. ~ 30 years in row all boxers from U.S. 2002-2004. very long row with U.S boxers ended. Lennox Lewis, U.K ( Canadian&U.K origin ) then Vitali Klitschko, Wladimir Klitschko: ( Ukraine ). Now: Tyson Fury. ( U.K ). I might continue with CW from " The Ring ". I expect claims that " It is not HW, it is nothing " yeah, predictable outcome. Also for LHW this might be said.
Can any of you R tards stick to the main topic of discussion. This forum is just full of halfwits tbh. First of all Lomas words were taken out of context by dumbasses again. It was biased, but let's face it the judges were clearly bribed in some form or another. Considering all three judges gave Loma less than 4 rounds this is highly indicative of high level corruption. Loma won rounds 2, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. People seem to think Lopez won rounds 2, 6, and 7. Again, these people don't seem to understand that walking towards someone and simultaneously getting outlanded doesn't win you rounds. I can't tell you how many times I've watched these rounds, but objectively speaking, Loma outlands Lopez in these rounds. 95% of Lopez work is hitting air, gloves, elbows etc. Most of the casuals (this forum included) believe that this somehow wins you rounds. It doesn't, and neither is it dictating the pace of the fight or does it meet the criteria of ring generalship. The idea that Loma did nothing for 6 rounds is an absolute joke. Proof that the majority of people do not know **** about boxing. Yes Lomas work rate was far lower than normal, but Lopez was essentially following Loma around not doing much but hit everything but Lomas body and face. When Loma decided that Lopez power was nothing special he teed off on his head at will. Loma would no mas Lopez in a rematch. But I guarantee Lopez will never let this happen. If it does I'll give credit to him.
When Loma get that Lopez plan A was to OUTBOX Loma all 12 rounds not to finish him in distance. Initially he too long time had assumption that Lopez will cease to box disciplined and will become less careful about his defense. When he get that Lopez will not fail in this strategic trap, it was too late for Loma. Loma Lost this fight but this was close fight 7/5 not like Lederman card and fans assumptions how impressively Lopez beated him up. Still Lopez really attempted to do all the best to offer clean boxing, to avoid even accidental things that might be considered as dirtyboxe. Props for him, if he boxed vs Loma like Salido did, he did not had get from me any credit.
Loma didn't perform, simple as that. He should just keep requesting a rematch and come with a different approach to it. Teo clearly kept him at bay with the threat of his power. Which kept Loma's hands at home. I think Teo beats him in the rematch, especially if Loma decides to let his hands go because Teo probably stops him.
