I would like to ask Lartley Lartey what does he think about your comment. even though, I consider "legit" a dive when you are put there to be massacred. For me that's not a dive, for me that's "stealing from a thief". A dive, properly said.... I would say that the only one is mathysse (my opinion, I know an unpopular one, but that's my opinion). Walters didnt "took a dive", but I would say he didnt want to win. It looked like, some one could say after watching the fight, that some friend of him in jamaica was winning a hell of a bet with this fight. (my opinion again, unpopular too). I'm sure that this imaginary "friend" could even tell the right round. Dives can happen, we cant deny that. "Old times" dives in important fights, like in the films... probably not any more. But "oh, my god, I forgot how to box" dives..... 100% sure they are happening way more often than we think. I cant recall a dive, a legit one, with proofs and all that and official investigation, though. (maybe that well know guy going down with the first jab? looked like internal brain problems and damage to me, tbh, more than a dive) My favourite ever is liston's. I will die saying that it was a dive XD. Man, it WAS! A blind man could see it. But that belongs to another thread.
no, but jusdges, ped testers, everyone is paid ransomly to turn a blind eye and let ryan juice as much as possible
Boxing is the most corrupt sport I can think of that is at least semi-mainstream. The alphabet organizations are a cesspool. And as far as people rigging the results of a bout we already know that judges take bribes. I can't think of any other way to justify Canelo's scorecards throughout his career. I'm pretty anti conspiracy in general, but in boxing I'm not as quick to dismiss them as I am in other endeavors. Because the sport is corrupt as hell. I do believe dives are very rare in modern boxing. So as far as the thread itself I would agree with you. But I won't rule out the claim of somebody taking a dive off hand given how corrupt boxing is.
nah. Cycling and tennis are way worse. Tennis at low level is ridiculous with all the "real time" rigged bets. And cycling... what to say? Boxing is not specially dirty. Maybe in clubfights, where the referee and the local trainer are friends (literally). But at high level.... I dont see more "dirtyness" than in any other sport. I still remember italy vs south korea, in the korea world football cup. Boxing is no worse than that. What's horrible in boxing are missmatches. But that's another story.
Rampant drug use, judges taking bribes, corrupt alphabet organizations, etc. Boxing is extremely corrupt. Just watch a Canelo Alvarez fight.
It's stupid to think that you can carry a prospect to be a world champion is he's no world champion material. At any moment you need to test him. And since the test result you have to take 2 options: - the test was passed: cool, you have a champion! congratulations, you will have a champion in a few years. - the test was failed: bad luck, you dont have a champion. But the good news is that you have now someone to feed your future prospect. Your old prospect will be food for the new ones, who are being spoonfed and already untested. Rigging this test is STUPID. You are cheating yourself, it will not make any money for you.
Corruption and bribery on the judging side are indeed obvious facts of life in modern boxing. They're quite a far cry from the fighters themselves actually taking dives, however. They can fall back on & hide behind the subjectivity of scoring and the lack of a national (or international) governing body holding them accountable for cards that defy all credulity. No boxer on the planet is a good enough actor to be selling a real dive in a fight where real punches to each other's head are being thrown. If they were that good, they'd be professional actors rather than getting punched in the head for peanuts.
just watch the italy vs south korea match. I insist boxing is not worse than any other sport. Boxing is a nun, compared with cycling in terms of peds. And canelo alvarez is a priest if we compare him to lance armstrong, or any of the previous champions. alphabet organizations? lol at the uefa. Watch, for instance, chelsea vs barcelona in stamford bridge. That's CORRUPTION in capital letters. Boxing is dirty? yes, sure, I know it. And at a lot of levels. Is boxing worse than other sports? NO, not at all.
when he went down with postol, after showing the world that he could battle for 12 rounds with provodnikov in a hell of a slugfest. And when he stopped hitting postol when he was about to KO him by mistake (if you pay attention, when he wobbles postol, he panics and stops hitting postol's head or body and hits the arms. He obviously is trying NOT to knock him down). I remind you that postol is a guy with 35% kos. I mean, his grandma hit harder than him. I will never, NEVER, believe that mathysse can go down like that vs postol if not on purpose. And after watching mathysse vs provodnikov no way in hell I'm going to change my mind. I believe my eyes, sorry. As I said my opinion is unpopular, and I know that nobody agrees with me. But I dont care, I think what I think. This discussion belongs to another thread, though.
If I knew someone as connected as you did I would take advantage financially. But if course neither of us know that person.
